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How To Begin Your Human Optimization Journey With Wei Houng

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“Just be the best human being you can be.”

In this episode, Nick speaks with Wei Houng about the importance of human connection, self-discovery, and the innovative technology behind human optimization. Wei shares his journey from a technical background to exploring the spiritual and esoteric realms, leading to the development of a patented assessment technology that helps individuals understand their unique nature.

What to listen for:

Human connection is essential for self-discovery and purpose
Exploring both the scientific and spiritual aspects of life can lead to deeper understanding
Objectivity is crucial in understanding oneself without bias
Communication styles vary, and recognizing them can enhance relationships
Real-life stories illustrate the impact of understanding one’s unique nature
Personal growth creates a ripple effect in the community
Life’s complexities are often human-made constructs
Embracing one’s uniqueness is vital for personal fulfillment
The journey of self-discovery is ongoing and transformative

“For a human being to perpetually live in survival mode is perpetually living a life through judgment and subjectivity.”

Survival mode filters life through fear instead of truth
Judgment becomes protection, not understanding
Safety is the gateway to peace and clarity
Subjectivity traps us in old stories and wounds
Awareness breaks the cycle and restores freedom

“Most of us haven’t been given the opportunity to graduate from that subjective foundational understanding of self to define who we are.”

Our first identity is shaped by others, not ourselves
True growth means consciously redefining who we are
Few are taught how to move beyond conditioning
Awareness is the bridge from survival to authenticity
Defining yourself is the ultimate act of empowerment

About Wei Houng

Wei is one of the co-founders of HumanOp Technologies, a company dedicated to disrupting the matrix that forces sameness and rewards burnout. After seeing countless high-performers operating out of rhythm with who they truly are, he’s part of the team that is using the world’s first physics-based technology to reveal a person’s authentic nature. His mission is to help people stop ‘efforting’ their way through life and start flowing with it, so they can be filled with the energy, joy, and purpose they were designed for.

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Nick McGowan (00:01.358)
Hello and welcome to the Mindset Self Mastery Show. I’m your host, Nick McGowan. Today on the show we have Wei Houng. Wei, how you doing today?

Wei Houng (00:12.321)
really good especially after our pre-show warm-up.

Nick McGowan (00:16.712)
Absolutely. And there, I say this, I don’t know, every so often on episodes and people will hear it, but you guys don’t hear the stuff that happens before we hit record or anything. But legitimately, there are beautiful conversations that I’ve had where I go, we need to hit record, like all of this needs to be on here. And this was one of those like we’ve literally been talking for like 40 minutes at this point.

Wei Houng (00:33.345)
Why? Yeah. Yeah.

Nick McGowan (00:40.992)
So there’s a lot of stuff that we’re gonna be able to cover and a lot of stuff we’re gonna get into. And one of the biggest reasons why I wanted to have you on is to be able to talk about the human connection within ourselves and how we relate to ourselves, how we figure out ourselves and how that ties into our purpose. We’re gonna get into technology and all the other things that are in there, but why don’t you kick us off? Why don’t you tell us what you do for a living and what’s one thing most people don’t know about you that’s maybe a little odd or bizarre?

Wei Houng (01:05.985)
Yeah, great question. I you know, I’ve been in this human optimization game we were just talking about now. I’m, you know, I used to say the same number year after year until somebody called me out on it and said, you’ve been saying that number for the last five years I’ve known you as like, do you never increase that number? I was like, Oh, you’re right. And so I last when I checked last, I’ve been I’ve been at this human optimization game now for what 30, I think, over 31 years now.

Nick McGowan (01:23.952)
Wei Houng (01:33.929)
And a lot of it was driven by what I dealt with, you know, as a kid in junior high feeling like a lot of kids, I think I was being bullied. didn’t feel like I fit in. And so they got to a point where I thought there was something wrong with me. Right. The name I’m one of the co-founders of our company called human op technologies. Human op is short for human optimization. And we have a patented human assessment technology that is only patented because it’s not based on psychology. Right. It’s it’s based on

physics and math and science and that’s how we were able to kind of get away with patenting. Well, not get away with, we did do it, patenting assessment technology. But before we get into that, there’s one thing that really kind of helped facilitate this that a lot of people, well, some people know, but a lot of people don’t know is that I spent a lot of years in the spiritual community to kind of truly explore.

the esoteric side because I spent my background in computer science engineering. So I had a lifetime of just being on the technical left brain side of things, science and grounded methodologies and all this jazz. And so when I was trying to see all that was, all that is available in this world, I got deep into the, what people will say, the woo community, right? And there was one point where I,

Nick McGowan (02:50.552)
Mm-hmm.

Wei Houng (02:55.553)
you know, and there’s nothing wrong with these teachers because they have a lot more faith and trust than I do. But it’s not like I didn’t, I was skeptical about things. I just have that kind of mind. I want to understand it. So in the case one day, if I want to teach this to somebody, I can have the confidence to understand the both the left, the right brain, every possible facet of how to help people embrace what I’m talking about. Right. And when it came to energy work and energy healing and hypnotherapy and all those different things, I would

get to a point with every teacher and I’ve had many where I was asked so many questions about why does this work? How does this work? Why does this work? Until finally the last stage I said she was frustrated like my parents were and said, wait, it just is. Okay. It just is. And I say, then it just took me back to my traumas as a youth. It’s like telling me to shut up. It just is. Okay. Why? Why? It just is. Okay. Fine. So at this point,

Nick McGowan (03:44.024)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (03:51.371)
done with college and everything. I have my UCLA alumni card. said, you know what, I’m going to go figure this out myself. And so I finally, I never knew how to use alumni card until then. was like, you mean I can go back to the UCLA engineering library and just hang out there. And it’s like, well, yeah, you’re alumni. was like, great. So I go in there and

I think if you add up all the hours I was going back and forth, just looking into reopening the books on quantum physics, thermodynamics, the meaning of the universe instead for a school project, it was for my own personal understanding of why something that is so seemingly anti-science is really isn’t anti-science. It’s just another language to explain what science is also trying to explain, right? If you add up all the hours, I think it was like almost like a week. It’s like I was there for like a straight week. If I went there 24 hours for a whole

Nick McGowan (04:41.624)
Nice.

Wei Houng (04:43.969)
what seven times 24, whatever that is, right? What does that does 168 hours or something like that. So and what I came out with was a deeper understanding, just simply on how to explain things like pranic prana, how does how does how does the directing of the energy work? And how does energy behave? You know, what happens when a human being dies? You know, what does

What are we talking about when we say like, you know, a soul or whatever the case may be, you know, it’s not like I don’t believe in it. I just like to have multiple ways of explaining it to help serve a larger segment of humanity. And that’s really what drives me to do is not to debunk anything, but to help more people understand the miracle of what happens every single day.

and not deny us just because it’s not part of our reality, deny us the potential of being able to embrace and accept more that can potentially augment our own personal lives. And so that’s kind of a long way to say that. And that might be something like a lot of people don’t know, just kind of how I hated school. And then I went back to school to use the school, but use it in the way I wanted to use it to help explain something in my life that nobody else was able to explain for me. And now when I go out and I…

connect with people who are in the esoteric world. And I get asked to be on their podcast because they say, can you come on my podcast of Reiki healing and energy and explain what you just explained to me? Because I’ve never been able to do that. And this is exactly what the world needs to hear. was like, So yeah.

Nick McGowan (06:24.386)
Yeah. And all of that ties directly into what you’re doing too. Like I can relate with you on that. I never went to college. I ended up in a few college classes because I partied the night before. was like, fuck it, why not? But like never officially went. I did. There were a few different, I went to a few different universities in fact. think even one or two of them answered the question. were like, nevermind. See ya.

Wei Houng (06:37.545)
I love that. But you did go. There you go.

Wei Houng (06:50.881)
Who are you?

Nick McGowan (06:53.39)
That was way back in the day. but I also didn’t like school. I hated school, but I was an art kid. So I would always be, I was one of those kids in high school. Like I would just raise my hand, like, I got a project. They’d be like, ahead. And I would just live in the art room because that was what I enjoyed and got out of school and went deeper into more understanding and more discovering and more just unpacking as many different books and teachers and all these things.

Wei Houng (07:08.149)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (07:20.255)
love that. Yeah.

Nick McGowan (07:21.474)
because there was an actual pull to do it instead of going, learn math, learn history. The history we want you to learn and learn this and learn that. Yeah. And it’s like, I want to learn the things I want to learn. So I appreciate that. And I think that’s the thing about you and I, that’s part of our makeup. And it just like our self-expression to be able to say, well, this is the thing that gets me excited. I’m going to dig in and nerd out on it. And that’s important.

Wei Houng (07:24.373)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (07:29.537)
For what? Yeah.

Nick McGowan (07:47.96)
but this is also our design. So how does that tie in to the work that you do at the company to be able to help people understand where they’re like, you know, I nerd out about this thing, but I never thought I could do anything because the capitalistic society we live in says I can’t make any fucking money being a creative or a musician or whatever, you know?

Wei Houng (08:04.947)
Yeah. my God. Yeah. Don’t even get me started about that piece right there. know. Yeah. I mean, well, the thing, you know, before I, before I get into like what, what ultimately, mean, cause human art represents kind of the culmination of a lifetime of just being inspired and also frustration of why, why, what keeps holding humanity back.

Nick McGowan (08:09.103)
world podcast please get started

Wei Houng (08:26.177)
Before I go there, I used to be before the pandemic, I used to be asked to go do career day for a lot of schools because I was only one that would volunteer and say yes to say, can you come in and talk about entrepreneurship? I’m like, sure. Because that’s the wild card, you know, because I’m not a firefighter. I’m not a banker. I’m not a doctor. I’m an entrepreneur. And then all the kids go, what, what is that? It’s like, does anybody know what that is? Right. And so I say we solve problems in the world in exchange for money. How about that? Right. And then

Nick McGowan (08:39.8)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (08:55.169)
But there’s always a fun exercise I like to do in line with what you just said, which is like, OK, how many of you have ever been told that you can’t make money doing something, anything? I remember last time I said that, I it was in a grade school. They were super young. And every kid raised their hand already at that age. They were already being told to some capacity that they can’t make money or do what they want to do in life, doing certain things.

Right? Funny, funny side note, the teacher raised her hand. Yeah. She’s like, and it was really interesting because the distortion that happens in, our homes and it’s, I’m not, think, you know, I, I always say this like disclaimer, you make sure you, you make sure whatever you share about today’s don’t, don’t make your parents hate me. but

Nick McGowan (09:29.268)
Awesome. Well, yeah, she’s not making anything. She’s like, I need food stamps.

Wei Houng (09:51.329)
There’s a distortion of culture and societal because we’re such a melting pot here. We don’t know where it’s coming from. But there was a kid that raised his hand and I mean, it’s so obvious that it’s not true, but he’s still kind of subscribed to it. Why? Because it’s his parents. It’s like, what did your parents tell you? And it’s just, I picked the Asian kid in the back with glasses because, hey, you looked like me when I was little. Okay, I’m going to pick on you first. And he said, music. I’m like, what? No, really? Seriously? Music? And then I pulled the room and I said, hey,

How many of you know somebody in this world and just a side note, celebrities are people too, that make money doing music. Everybody raises, every kid raises a hand. And it was like a shock to him, even though it was so, it seems like it’s common knowledge, right? But we don’t know what happens at home, right? We don’t know how kids are being nurtured against their nature and more on that later, right? And so then I asked him, well, what kind of music do you like? He goes, EDM. was like,

Nick McGowan (10:45.411)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (10:50.399)
Have you ever heard of dead mouse? Have you ever heard of the, I started naming off all these idiom, know, like super like successful. he goes, yeah. says, do you think they do it for free?

Nick McGowan (10:52.172)
Yeah. Rattle them off.

Nick McGowan (10:57.985)
at justice.

Wei Houng (11:03.745)
He goes, well, no, it’s like, okay, so it’s a different thing. Now you always get these kids that say, I love ice cream. But even then I said, okay, how many things you can’t make money doing ice cream. And then every, every kid reads it has like, okay, well, I’ll tell you something. There’s some Asian countries that will literally pay you just to watch you eat ice cream. The little girl’s like, I say, but I got to warn you. Be careful what you wish for. You might not like ice cream after that. If you make a career out of it. Right. And then she goes, no, I’ll never stop. And I looked at the teacher teachers like,

Nick McGowan (11:04.127)
and

Nick McGowan (11:19.235)
Yeah.

Nick McGowan (11:28.931)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (11:33.601)
So, but yeah, so part of my journey is this is that what compelled me to really kind of land in this and I got to say first and foremost that I’m I’m so married to my purpose because I know how much people spend their entire lives finding that purpose, the reason for being and sometimes they never find it. I I’m at a point where I said I am not going to squander the luck.

the gratitude and the fortune I’ve had on being able to find that as early as I did. And a lot of it was through the struggles I’ve had to go through to try to figure me out. Right. And it got to a point where when I finally hit a plateau and I said, my God, I think I kind of understand why I’m here. I said, but why why did I have to go through all this catharsis? There must have been, I don’t know, three to five times I should have left this planet, but I didn’t.

right? The universe deemed it was not your time, either by my own hand or by the hand of something, the byproduct of a choice that I made. Right? And so thus began the journey of how do I inspire people to elevate and change and get in alignment with themselves without having to do it from catharsis? Because the reality is, you and I have dealt with catharsis in our life, we’ve hit lows that some people don’t bounce back from like we have.

So that means not everybody’s built the same way. Resilience and adaptability, that’s Darwinism right there. So how do we combat that and empower people to not have to be stove touchers in order to incite change, but more importantly, recognize that, hey, if you allow yourself to go to that cathartic place, you may not come back as easily as somebody else that you’ve observed. So what can we do to that? And so human op is really

our technology is designed to kind of take the guesswork of how one can get access back, access back to the blueprint of optimal existence. The reason why we lose contact with that is because of the moment we’re born, we’re pulled in a billion directions. We’ve got environmental influence, societal, cultural, and everything like that, and it pulls us off of our blueprint. The beautiful thing about our technology is a simple assessment technology that gives

Wei Houng (14:02.881)
gives every human being a unique result. No two human beings, billion people on a eight billion different results. Why? Because it’s based on the unique nature of that human being. And so what really drives our technology, I’m looking to kind of position our company as a generational company after you and I are gone, our kids’ kids are gone, that human op continues to be a part of elevating humanity and helping humanity become what we’re ultimately best designed to do, becoming stewards of the planet.

caretakers of the planet. There’s no other being on the planet, no other animal on the planet that is better suited to be a caretaker of the planet than we are. And yet here we are pillaging it. And we’re like destroying it. I mean, the plot twist of the whole COVID pandemic thing, we’re the virus. That’s the plot twist, right?

Nick McGowan (14:42.446)
Yeah, actively.

Nick McGowan (14:49.59)
Yeah, we have been. What a juxtaposition of it, of we are the ones who can both heal and harm. And we do that in all of our relationships. We do that to ourselves. Even that kid being told you can’t make money with music. You can, but you can also make money with other things. And time out, let’s look at what the fuck, you’re just talking about your passion.

is this and you’re saying, the system of the world that we live in says I need to make this. Let’s forego that and get back to this and figure out how do you do that? There’s something and I’ve thought of this as soon as you said this, a friend of mine and I were both working on albums. We’re holding each other accountable and like working through our stuff and nerding out about sidechain compression and just loads of nonsense to us. It’s fucking fun. But he shared something with me the other day that there was somebody talking about how

Wei Houng (15:34.891)
Very cool.

Wei Houng (15:39.149)
I love it.

Nick McGowan (15:47.372)
I believe it’s Spotify, because they’re like the main culprit with this. They figured out the exact amount of plays that you need, streams every single month, to make minimum wage. Do you want to take a stab in the dark at how many streams you need monthly as an artist to make minimum wage?

Wei Houng (16:03.667)
Okay, I know you’re asking if it’s probably something redonkulous, it’s like what, a million?

Nick McGowan (16:06.548)
It’s 567,000.

Wei Houng (16:12.037)
567,000. Oh my God, that’s a lot.

Nick McGowan (16:13.73)
That’s a lot. That’s a lot. Like a lot to make a minimum wage. That just off of that. So but that can still deter people to go well, if I just want to make music and just stream it, I’m I guess I can’t. And they’ll stop there. Other people will go fuck that watch. And they’ll go do things and they’ll, they’ll figure out different ways. the

Wei Houng (16:16.213)
Yeah, right. On just off of Spotify. Okay.

Wei Houng (16:36.163)
Hahaha

Well, it’s just like a, it’s like an investment portfolio. You, you diversify, right? Right.

Nick McGowan (16:43.374)
Well, multiple streams of income. I mean, that’s the true definition of an entrepreneur. You just make different streams of income. Yeah, exactly. Which my friend and I talking about that we understand that because we’re multi-passionate and creatives and entrepreneurs. That’s why as a 41 year old man, I have like this many friends, you know, like.

Wei Houng (16:48.083)
Right. Different profit centers. Yeah.

Wei Houng (17:02.817)
That’s okay, you are friends with the universe of music.

Nick McGowan (17:08.62)
yeah, absolutely. But in all reality, I think there’s a thing to that where people can buy into a story. And that story is told to them, they go, well, that’s not what I want to do. Or yes, I guess I should do that. And then they go deeper down that because of what you were saying, even before we hit record, people don’t know if somebody says just be you, like going out on a date with somebody just be you. What the fuck? Really? what does that mean? Yeah, you spin them even harder at that point, because they’re like, geez, now it’s even harder to do this. So

Wei Houng (17:28.377)
Who am I? Like, who am I? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Nick McGowan (17:37.294)
I don’t want you to give a secret sauce or go into all the depths of everything, but from a higher level, like if somebody’s saying, all right, I hear what you guys are saying, and maybe I’m interested in the thing that you do or what your company does, but overall, like I’m just interested in understanding more about myself so I can stop hating everything else that’s going on because I feel I’m stuck doing this and blah, blah, blah, and just trying to get the thing that actually gives them that vitality back. So what does that look like?

Wei Houng (18:01.779)
Yeah, yeah, that the one word, the simple word is objectivity. The thing is, we’ve been in an effort to survive. Survive survival for human being to perpetually live in survival mode is perpetually living a life through judgment and subjectivity. But that’s kind of how we survive growing up. We had to subjectively look at things and

define things through the context of our world and what we grew up with in order to figure out the best way to navigate it. The problem is none of us have, most of us haven’t been given the opportunity to graduate from that subjective foundational understanding of self to define who we are, right? What we’ve been able to help people do is then graduate from that transition to defining what.

And what that means is how do you understand yourself objectively without meaning, judgment, bias or subjectivity of through the lens of my mom, my dad, my teachers, my friends, my culture, because most of the most people they struggle with that. Like you were saying, it’s like just be you. That is probably one of the hardest questions to ask anybody. Just be you. It’s like, well, that that actually.

is dependent on whether or not you yourself can define who you or what you are, as we like to call it. And saying that there’s a distinction between who and what, who is defined by your experiences, your traumas, your parents, your society, your culture. What you are is how nature naturally designed you to be. For example, we all already know how that works. We go into nature, we all look at a tree and we can uniformly all say, that’s a tree, that’s a leaf.

And this is what that leaf does for that tree. This is grass. It’s green. I don’t like green, but I’m not going to get angry at grass for being green because it just is. Imagine us being able to look in the mirror and say the exact same thing about ourselves. When we can go back to how we survived. So let’s, let’s kind of roll it back and talk about some really cool, fun trivia. Modern language. I’ll give you a quick guess.

Wei Houng (20:14.497)
you know, a lot of people know it already, but how long do you think modern language as we know it today as a means of pattern and communication, pattern recognition, communication, right? That includes grunts and clicks and specific patterns. Modern language, how long do you think that existed for human beings?

Nick McGowan (20:31.512)
handful of thousands of years.

Wei Houng (20:32.991)
Yeah, about 50,000 years. right. Yeah. If we look at how long human beings have been on a planet, we’ve been on the planet for 2 million years. So the question is that people have to remember to ask themselves, so if we didn’t have language beyond the 50,000, what did we do for 1.95 million years? We looked into nature.

Nick McGowan (20:34.88)
Okay. Well, yeah. Okay.

Yeah.

Wei Houng (20:54.485)
We survive by looking into nature, understanding what we looked at, looking at each other and understand I can get along with you and not with you, not by language, not by words, but by how we each all physically show up in the world. This is why when they finally laid down country lines in the world, right, before, you know, before there were no country lines, everybody was just tri-being and nomadic, right? But when they finally decided, okay, let’s lay down country lines.

It’s not after they lay down country lines, people started to kind of look similar to each other. We were already doing that because we naturally understood like everything else in nature, how to naturally tribe with what resonates with us. Our technology is kind of like a revival of that. It’s an opportunity. We created an opportunity for human beings to reconnect back to nature, bypass the distorted rhetoric of society and culture and language.

But now we do have a beautiful tool called language. So instead of having doing grunts and clicks to kind of figure out what nature is telling us, we can be even more precise. And that’s what we’ve done. We’ve taken that baseline built into our DNA, our genetics from last two million years of how to connect with nature and how to see each other through the objectivity of nature. And we’ve defined it through language, objective language, so that we don’t have to ever

go back to saying, okay, well, I mean, it’s like this, it’s like most of us have grown up to some degree where parents or teachers or society has pushed us in a direction that like, or manipulate us whatever to do something that deep down inside was like, that doesn’t resonate with me. School doesn’t resonate, at least the way school is doesn’t resonate with me. And it’s because our core, the nature of ourselves is trying to communicate something to us.

Nick McGowan (22:36.494)
Mm-hmm.

Wei Houng (22:48.341)
Before though, we didn’t have any way to quantify it. We didn’t have any way to define it. But now we do. This technology, 20 years of research, we patented about 10 years ago. For the last 20 years, we’ve been doing it on a consultative model. And what frustrated me more than anything was that we were doing it behind a huge paywall. Only those who could afford it could have access to this. So who do we have? Celebrities, pro athletes, Olympians, Fortune 10, one companies.

Nick McGowan (22:51.171)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (23:18.097)
having access to this. But in my mind, what deep down inside is like, you know, this is like, this is like the holy grail of human understanding, every human being needs to have access to this. And that’s why last year we pivoted hard and we just made it freely available on a basic level for everyone.

Nick McGowan (23:34.306)
And that’s the way to do it. mean, accessibility is so huge. I joke with people at different times that I’m so tired of the coaches who coach coaches about other coaches, about coaching coaches who coach cockroaches. And they sell every fucking thing at $10,000 or more. And then as soon as they sell you something, you’re instantly dropped into a funnel and a whole fucking scheme to get you to buy more things because you didn’t get enough and FOMO and it’s all manipulation and just

Wei Houng (23:46.645)
Hahaha, yeah.

Nick McGowan (24:01.762)
going at your nervous system. When this stuff, yeah, and this stuff needs to be accessible to people, I still think there’s a little bit to be said of that saying, and I heard this a long time ago, if people don’t pay, they’re not gonna pay attention. Sure, but do you also, if somebody is in such a spot where they are hungry for it, they are ready to do the work, it doesn’t matter. Like if they don’t have the money, don’t let that stop them. Help them actually be able to do the work and get into it. And that’s

Wei Houng (24:03.157)
Yeah, distorted capitalism.

Wei Houng (24:14.005)
Yeah, they have skin in the game, right?

Nick McGowan (24:31.244)
ripple effect will change throughout. think even you talk about parents or people that I’m glad you said manipulation too, because that’s exactly where my mind went was like, sometimes they will be like, well, I couldn’t do it. So many me should. And this is what I want with your life. And there are also some basic things where I think from a parental perspective, and I don’t have any kids, but my parents did things to me because they thought it was the right thing to do based on how they were. Correct.

Wei Houng (24:45.291)
Right. Yeah.

Wei Houng (24:56.885)
Yeah, I mean, they’re not malintended. They’re not manipulating out of like, that’s just like, they’re trying to mess you up. They’re doing the best they can. And that’s what everybody’s doing, right?

Nick McGowan (25:04.216)
Correct. Yeah. And the more that we learn about ourselves, I think that those people can then say, well, maybe you’re a little different. Like I’m an emotional person and just use my dad as an example. He’s a logical person. Like he’s a thinker. I’m a feeler. And for 35 years, he was like, think, think, think, think, use your brain. Literally took me to the age of 35 to go, hold up, Pop. I have to feel everything first beforehand. And he was like, I don’t understand it.

Wei Houng (25:11.989)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wei Houng (25:26.335)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Nick McGowan (25:30.658)
And we had a great conversation to say like, I have to feel it and then think about it. You have to think about it. And then maybe at some point potentially feel it, but like that’s way far off. but those people will say, I’m smart. I’m intelligent. I think this is the way to go about it. And we all do that where it sounds like this approach is more so a, I have a better understanding of myself. Therefore I have different questions to ask of other people to learn more about them. So what sort of stuff have you seen of the people that have gone through?

Wei Houng (25:38.229)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (25:52.619)
Yeah. Yeah.

Nick McGowan (25:57.644)
the younger versions of it, the newer versions of all of it, and like some of those stories to be able to say, you know what, the way that I moved about in the world was different than my way of being now because of how I am and what I understand.

Wei Houng (26:09.301)
Yeah, no, we just to I think it was last week, we had that workshop about communication styles. And our technology defines that I mean, there’s a bunch of categories defines and one of them, what you’re talking about is so intelligent. And that’s the cool thing about our technology and validates for most people who are practicing self awareness, it validates so much. And there’s something about when science validates someone, they’re more likely to lean into it more versus another human being telling them and validating it.

And what you were describing, for example, you being, it’s like the perfect word. You’re emotionally centered. That’s your communication stuff. For you, it’s all about feeling into the decision, right? How does it feel for you? And that part of you also is it likes the tactile things. You you’re like a feel shopper, like you have to touch it and feel it before you can buy it. Right.

Nick McGowan (26:59.224)
Mm-hmm furniture butt test

Wei Houng (27:02.301)
Yeah, exactly. And so for you, like in the face of conflict, you tend to emote first because it’s about the emotions that help you process through things. And it sounds like your dad is the other communication style that we call intellectual centered. Those are the people who ask a ton of questions. Things need to make sense before they take action on anything. For you, if it feels good, then you’re probably going to take action on it. For your dad, he probably has to do his due diligence. He has to ask his questions. And then finally, when that all makes sense to him, then he’ll take action.

Nothing wrong with either. It’s just unique to that human being. And there’s a whole sequence. It’s a whole decoding sequence. There’s four of them, actually. There’s instinctual standard, which is all about the gut. And there’s also moving standard, those people who need to move into their decision. And people were a combination of all four. It just depends on the order. And so that’s our unique process of making decisions, learning and going through life and connecting to the moment. So, you know, that’s just an example of what our technology has been able to do.

Especially I just had this conversation with a couple the other day where they were they were struggling on understanding each other because when when they didn’t realize that they each had very different levels of refinement, they had different motivational drivers that drove them. One of them didn’t need the spotlight, didn’t need attention. She thrived in being of the hold space for people. Her partner actually

was fed by being able to share their gifts in the spotlight, to present and to do all those different and perform, right? And so she didn’t understand why he needed to do all that. And then he didn’t understand why she couldn’t understand him, right? But when they had that time to access the results of their technology, which only takes 10 minutes, it really takes 10 minutes and it’s all in your app or on your platform. And then they dove into it. And then I had some time with them to talk to them to help them get a deeper understanding of it.

She said this was the most, going home, that this was the most alive he’s been in so long, because he had zombied out in life, basically.

Wei Houng (29:07.007)
So these are the, and don’t even get me started of the work we’ve been able to do with young adults and kids who are struggling to just figure themselves out and fit in to this world, right? For a long time I was working with these red zone kids and I call them red zone because we’re talking about drugs, alcohol and suicide. And the sad thing is because we’re not your traditional therapists, psychologists, counselor, whatever the case may be, we end up being like nothing’s working.

then they get a referral to us, right? We’re like the last resort. And I remember I had this kid who, you know, was talking about suicide every day. And then his parents didn’t know what to do. They had a lot of money, they were well to do, but no resource was helping. And then they got a referral to me from a friend of mine who knew the parents.

And my requisite for those types of dynamics is the whole family takes the assessment so the whole family can just can get to see how unique everyone actually is. And sure enough, the parents, they were built like high performance engine. Dad was a Ferrari. Mom was a Maserati. And sure enough, they gave birth to a Prius. And they were trying to run that Prius like they run their own lives. And the kid was burning out. he just started high school.

Nick McGowan (30:07.96)
Thanks

Yeah.

Wei Houng (30:31.333)
And what happened was when we went through a part, there’s a section there around the motivational drivers where it illuminates. You need to have an average amount of mental engagement in order to be healthy. What happens is if it’s too elevated, then it’s hard to focus. And if it gets super elevated. So just to give you a little context, the healthy range we like to see is anywhere from 25 to 18 to 25 voices, right? Voices.

chatter so that there’s engagement, there’s, you know, stuff that you can do. Too low, then you’re totally disengaged from life. That a lot of people who over meditate that happens. Then there are people who are checked out of their jobs and they just don’t want to engage anymore. So they’re just disengaged. And this is how we help, you know, organizations reintroduce higher levels of engagement. We identify those who are disengaged and we optimize them, right? So the kid had 42 voices.

Nick McGowan (31:12.76)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (31:27.477)
And I told the parents in that meeting and the parent goes, that doesn’t make any sense. And the kid stood up and said, that makes 100 % sense. This is why I want to die. I can’t escape my voices no matter where you guys take me. And they just sat there and they’re like, and so we began working together and it was such a, it was such an acute situation. was seeing him twice a week. But the thing is what I love of our technology, because we, because we take the guesswork out of it and create a blueprint that’s unique for every human being.

We take the complexity out of the solution. our philosophy is this, nature in general, life in general, is either easy or hard, but it fluctuates, right? Life gets hard, life gets easy, life gets hard. Simplicity and complexity is not part of nature, that’s a human-made construct. Complexity was introduced to help establish value for a human being doing a simple task so they can kind of preserve their place in the corporate world.

The more complicated they made the process that they’re responsible for and they’re the only ones that can execute it. Well, guess what? Job security, right? But if you look at most of these types of solutions and you take the complexity out of it, it’s actually really simple. Nothing in life, nothing in nature is complicated. Everything is simple. Human beings like to make it complicated to establish self-value and self-worth.

Nick McGowan (32:26.382)
job security.

Wei Houng (32:44.065)
So what our technology does, it takes the complexity out of what it means to optimize yourself and lean into your most optimal version of yourself, your nature. Create a simplicity of the understanding around it. But it doesn’t mean we take away the hardness and the difficulty of doing that because now you’re fighting against society. You’re fighting against the matrix to be able to get to your core natural self. And so the parents says, well, what does he have to do? It’s like,

feed his drivers and only his drivers. He’s trying to feed too many drivers right now and that’s why it’s going like going crazy. And they’re like, that’s it. I was like, that’s it. I said, okay. So for the first couple of weeks, we were just saying every day he came in and said, what did you do to feed your drivers today? What did you do to feed your drivers today? Right? There’s only two, right? And then two weeks later, stopped talking about suicide. Five months later, it became a 5.0 student. And then by the time he got through high school, he got into the college of his choice.

studied abroad like he was saying since day one and then came back and you graduated now from college got this beautiful card from him thanking me for like helping him on so many different levels and then you know it’s it’s it’s those things and all I did was put a real accurate mirror

of himself and helped him understand and use language to define himself so that he can then go out into the world and educate the world around him about his unique nature so he never had to buy into a rhetoric of having to fit in somewhere just to be liked, just to be accepted.

You know, it’s, it’s… The engineer in me over the last decade or so has been looking for that one time where a human being will take it and it’s completely off.

Wei Houng (34:32.257)
But because it’s based on things you can’t lie about, like your physical nature, like what color are your eyes, what color are your hair? I mean, all that means something. Nature gave us those clues to understand ourselves and understand others. We’ve just been ignoring it for the past 50,000 years because we thought language was the solution to it all. And now we’ve become kind of like atrophied around that muscle of understanding and seeing into nature. I mean, we’re still capable of it. I mean, we can look into nature and define things like a rock and then the color of things.

know that you don’t go hug a cactus, right? But we’ve forgotten how to do that for ourselves and it’s all there. Fortunately, right now we have a technology that can help define that for people so they don’t have to guess anymore. We can get back to connecting with nature.

Nick McGowan (35:05.166)
you

Nick McGowan (35:18.67)
I wonder how quickly after language started to really form that that shift happened like I Yeah, like

Wei Houng (35:28.169)
I think it was almost immediately. think Greek philosophers would laugh at humanity saying language was invented to lie to ourselves and others. That’s really good. And it’s still being used today. Right. So but again, like we you and I were talking about, it’s just a tool. So why not use the beautiful, powerful tool of language?

Nick McGowan (35:33.25)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Wei Houng (35:51.435)
to define nature in a way so that we can be connected back to that and see each other objectively through that lens again. That’s how we were able to survive for two million years, not language.

Nick McGowan (36:04.012)
Yeah, and even think from the tool perspective, like we ourselves are a tool, like we’re a soul spirit within this organism and we use it. But we oftentimes don’t actually think about that, which it’s funny to me how over close to 200 episodes at this point, everything ties back to self awareness. Like the more aware you are of things, sometimes it’s maddening because the more aware you are, the more aware you

Wei Houng (36:09.055)
Yeah, 100%.

Wei Houng (36:16.129)
Mm-hmm.

Wei Houng (36:32.671)
Yeah, once you see it, you can’t unsee it. That’s what we tell people all the time. We tell people that all the time.

Nick McGowan (36:32.738)
more where you are like, yeah, you can’t unsee it. Yeah. But being able to understand that we have these deep, innate pieces to us that we can then use and at least look at and say, well, what is this? What are you trying to tell me? What do I do with it? So, and I appreciate you going through all the work, doing all the things, understanding what your purpose is, and not shying away from that and diving deeper into it. One of the things that

I’ve understood about you that you haven’t even said it all. But you understand to me, it seems like you understand the importance of it. But you also understand that you literally have to put one step in front of the other and then help other people do the same thing. Because sometimes we can look at it go, my God, this is so big. It’s like, yeah, kind of, but calm down. Stay right here. Let’s just move along. And then you’ll start to add things up. I love how that stuff works out. You’re just going to keep building on it. So

Wei Houng (37:20.489)
Yeah. Right.

Wei Houng (37:29.289)
Yeah, well, a lot of people, a lot of people do that. They come to us and we, all of us here at Humanov, we have such big, big visions of what we want to do for the planet, what we want to do for humanity. And a lot of people, get overwhelmed as, I can’t be like you guys. We’re not asking you to. We’re doing it because we can. What we’re saying is this, is that if all you do every day is invest in being the best human being you can be.

Nick McGowan (37:46.326)
UU.

Wei Houng (37:56.553)
you are already contributing to making this world a better place. If you’re doing it from an objective standpoint, the way we’re talking about it, so that you kind of learn that about yourself, there’s a concept that I spent years traveling around the world talking about called nodal impact. Every human being is a node. And every time, if you look into the concepts around quantum entanglement, no matter who it is that you engage with, you’re going to shift and

add more color to your own frequency output. Like you and I after today’s conversation, we’re already going to go into the world differently than we did before we came into this conversation. And the next people or next set of people we come in contact with, we’re going to influence them. We’re going to impact them just from the quantum entangled you and I experience to kind of exchange the knowledge, knowledge, information, everything that we’re learning here. It’s just another form of frequency and energy.

And that then creates this ripple effect in our ecosystem, right? Because all these aha moments left and right is like, oh yeah, that, oh yeah, this. And then we take that and we go right outside and we just bathe the next person in that same frequency and energy. What does it mean? No matter what we say, we’re going to make an impact that way. So that’s what we say. Just be the best human being you can right now. Don’t worry about doing the big things to save the world. And already you’re making a huge difference.

Nick McGowan (39:21.134)
What a great way to put that. I’ve appreciated this conversation so much. I’m sure my hope is that somebody’s listening to this goes, you know what? Today up until this point has been this type of day. But from this point on, the rest of the day will be this because I want it to be that and some sort of hope to it. But not only a hope, just an understanding that we are uniquely us and we don’t have to be anybody else. We shouldn’t be. The world tells us different.

Wei Houng (39:48.651)
Yeah. Yeah.

Nick McGowan (39:50.22)
You should be doing these things. You should make all this money. You should have a white picket fence and you should do this and do that and like nonsense. It’s whatever you want it to be, but it’s also really whatever is deep inside of us to do. So man, I appreciate you being on and talking about all of this. What’s that piece of advice that you’d give to somebody that’s on their path towards self-mastery?

Wei Houng (40:05.889)
Yeah, my pleasure.

Wei Houng (40:11.041)
You know, we’re at a point right now, we’re about to come out beta stage. So I’m super excited to be able to say this because whereas before I would find some anecdotal thing where it’s not really actionable. And the beautiful thing is I insisted that this version that we come out, there is a free version of it. I would say, go, go take our assessment. It’s free and it’s based on physics and science, and it will give you a unique set of results so that you could today.

immediately go and get a profound resonant understanding of self that you can start to lean into. And it’s very, it’s not only answering the question of what you are, but it’s actually giving you steps on what to do with that. And it’s free. That’s the way I wanted it to be because that way I can, we can help more people without even having to like, you know, you have to call us and schedule a time. Forget it. Just go to our site, jump in, understand. And if you want to get more than

Nick McGowan (41:01.976)
Yeah, yeah. Jump in.

Wei Houng (41:08.117)
then yeah, you can certainly do more, but the basics, we didn’t hold back. We’re giving stuff that people used to pay us six figures for, and we’re giving that away. Why? Because this is probably the fastest path we can do to help as many people as possible be the best human they can be so the ripple effect can help make this world better, right?

Nick McGowan (41:27.915)
Awesome way to put them in. So before I let you go, where can people find you? Where can they connect with you? Where can they get that? Where can they go take that test?

Wei Houng (41:36.105)
Yeah, well, you and I talked about the miracle human connection. I love the miracle of human connection. Because if you think about eight billion people on the planet, what are the chances of connecting with any human being on any level, right? And we just have to remember to let go of the ego and arrogance of attaching some kind of like a label of what that connection is supposed to be. I’m supposed to hire him. this is supposed to be my client. No, you’re just another human being connecting with me. And let’s just look forward to how things will unfold.

Nick McGowan (41:45.347)
Yeah.

Wei Houng (42:03.883)
So you can connect with me on LinkedIn, but you can go to humanop.com and it will direct you to wherever you want to go, whether you have a business or whether it’s for yourself. There’s two pathways you can go down. If you’re local as to us here in California, Silicon Valley, come in for a free workshops that we do every week just to teach people how to use the data that they get from our results. And it’s free. Just come in and learn. You can meet us in person and everything like that.

If not, then just reach out on LinkedIn and we can coordinate and just connect and see where it goes from there. I mean, that’s really what I’m all about right now. I’m at a point in my life where it’s less about building that huge empire of business, but rather how do we create an impact? How do we create legacy? How do I put it forward? And we define those intervals of life too, by the way. So like, for example, Nick, you’re in the interval of empire creation. You’re stepping into adulthood right now, actually. 43 is adulthood. That’s what we found in our research. So hey, welcome to adulthood.

I’m actually just stepping out of that interval into what we call pay it forward. So that’s all defined in our research and our work and our science and the technology that we do. So just dive in, join our world. And if this resonates with you, we will be forever friends to be able to help anybody who wants to have that level of self-awareness. Anybody who is a fan of your podcast, I’ll tell you, I mean, that’s probably them.

Nick McGowan (43:24.536)
Yeah, and I really appreciate being on today and the depth that we’ve been able to get into. Thank you so much for being on.

Wei Houng (43:31.01)
Thank you for having me. This has been so fun.

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