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Why do so many companies chase new customers when the math clearly proves that retention wins every time? Daniel Granja Baltazar joins from Rotterdam to unpack the “retention revelation”... how conversion rate optimization (CRO) is really about experience, not just clicks. Daniel’s global lens from the Netherlands to Brazil gives a fresh take on blending sales, marketing, and CX into one connected journey.

✈️ 5 First-Class Insights

• Conversion is the outcome, not the goal. Real CRO success starts with understanding the customer’s experience.
• Retention beats acquisition. Companies still pour money into getting new customers, while neglecting why current ones leave.
• Listen before assuming. Numbers reveal what’s happening... but only talking to customers reveals why.
• Bridge the silos. Sales, marketing, and customer service thrive when united by shared goals and active communication.
• Empathy drives everything. The best in sales, marketing, and CX are curious first, persuasive second.

🕓 CHAPTERS

00:00 Welcome to Rotterdam
1:40 CRO vs CX: What’s the real difference?
4:24 The retention revelation
7:08 Why companies ignore their data’s advice
10:27 Rewarding existing customers
12:33 Global differences in customer culture
15:08 First Class Lounge
18:09 The watchmaker side hustle
19:34 The Wolf of Wall Street myth of sales
21:27 Empathy as the CX superpower
22:56 Breaking the silos
25:44 How qualitative insights drive smarter decisions
28:33 Talk to your customers... or you’re doing it wrong

🔗 Guest Links

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dgbaltazar/
Watch store: https://uniqwatchmods.nl/
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