What if the key to your biggest breakthroughs isn’t some giant leap—but a series of small, curious steps? In this episode, I sit down with Anne-Laure Le Cunff—neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and author of Tiny Experiments to explore how we can apply an experimental mindset to business development, relationship building, and even leadership. We dive into how tiny, purposeful actions can produce big, surprising results, and why perfectionism is often what keeps high-achievers stuck. Whether you're in sales, consulting, or leading a team, this conversation will help you shift your approach to growth—and make it infinitely more adaptable, creative, and human.

We unpack Anne-Laure’s PACT framework (Purposeful, Actionable, Continuous, Trackable), talk about linear vs. looped thinking, and explore how high performers can actually start smaller to move further, faster. If you're ready to test, tweak, and grow smarter—not harder—this one’s for you.

Topics We Cover in This Episode:

• Why tiny experiments beat big, rigid plans (and how to run them)

• How to turn ambiguity and uncertainty into an advantage

• The PACT framework that makes “starting small” ridiculously actionable

• What metacognition is—and why elite performers swear by it

• How “working in public” accelerates learning and client trust

• The surprising link between psychological safety and team creativity

• Why outcome goals can trap you—and what to do instead

• The difference between chasing legacy and practicing generativity

If this episode inspired you, grab a copy of Tiny Experiments and consider running your own experiment: what’s one tiny, meaningful action you can try this week?

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