Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wr ...
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Workday Shopping Spree & iCIMS' Panic Buy
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1:09:42Buckle up for The Chad & Cheese Podcast, where Joel Cheesman, Chad Sowash, and Maureen Clough dive into HR’s wildest waves with their signature no-filter banter! This episode tackles the HR tech consolidation frenzy: Workday’s $1.1B Sana acquisition, paired with recent Paradox and Flowise buys, signals a bold AI-driven strategy to streamline everyt…
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Shredded: DianaHR, Workday, Sana, Fiverr, Pack, and ZipRecruiter
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AI Won’t Save Recruiting with Matt Charney
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38:24AI isn’t fairy dust you sprinkle on your ATS latte—it’s duct tape on 20-year-old tech, sold to you with a shiny new buzzword. Enter Matt Charney, the HR-tech cynic who’s seen it all: Monster, SmartRecruiters, Employer.com, and enough bad vendor decks to wallpaper Vegas. In this episode, Charney calls BS on: Vendors selling “AI” that’s really just 2…
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OpenAI Takes Aim at Jobs : Indeed, LinkedIn Bring the Bots : BLS Chaos
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58:17In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, with Chad Sowash sipping ouzo on a Greek beach, Joel Cheesman and guest J.T. O’Donnell dish out spicy takes on the workforce with their trademark snark. They kick off with a riff on empathy—or lack thereof—in today’s rage-fueled world, joking that community resilience is basically folks bonding over Wi-…
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Shredded: OpenAI, Throxy, Velocity Global, Shaker Recruitment Marketing, exaqueo, Remuner, & More
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Scale Your Suck: Sackett on AI and Talent
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31:56Tim Sackett is back, and he’s not here to sugarcoat your broken recruiting process. From running a family staffing biz (yes, his mom started it—nepotism FTW) to launching the HR Tech 100 Fund, Sackett’s got opinions, and Chad & Cheese are here to poke the bear. Inside this episode: Why most HR tech still runs on vaporware and broken promises The Sa…
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Google Wins, Meta Spins, and a Recruitics Fail?
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55:42From Google’s “flock of dead canaries” warning shot to Meta’s latest identity crisis, this episode is jam-packed with chaos. Recruitix buys a mystery box, Nestlé boots its CEO over an office fling, and Taco Bell AI goes full waterpark mode. Oh, and Chipotle drones are now dropping burritos from the sky. You can’t make this stuff up—so we didn’t.Cha…
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Shredded: InstaLILY, Welcome Tech, Darwin AI, Recruitics, Change State, Laborup, Hubert, & More
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AI in Hiring: Trust, Safety, and Why Compliance Freaks Out
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29:11What happens when you mix SmartRecruiters, a global AI pivot, and a comms pro who loves to “shake shit up”? You get Allyn Bailey dropping truth bombs on everything from why legacy ATS platforms should be left in a museum next to floppy disks, to how scheduling interviews is apparently the Mount Everest of HR tech problems. Joel and Chad dig into: W…
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Workday Buys Paradox | HR Tech’s Biggest AI Move Yet?
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51:53Strap on your helmets and tighten those chinstraps, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are celebrating their 1,500th episode with more swagger than a Cracker Barrel parking lot brawl. Expect: -Trump cosplaying as a mob boss at Intel and Cracker Barrel -Kelce + Swift rumors getting the “wink-wink” treatment -Fantasy football team names that would make yo…
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Shredded: Dayforce, Pintarnya, Folks, Glow Talents, ZipRecruiter, Workday, Paradox & More
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How Marriott Tackles AI, Complexity, and Fake Candidates
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21:49Marriott’s Tyler Weeks joins Chad & Cheese to unpack what it’s like running HR for a million humans (and possibly a few Roombas). Expect: Ritz-Carlton ghosting Joel harder than his prom date. Why Marriott’s HR is basically 9,000 mom-and-pop shops in a trench coat. The shocking discovery that AI doesn’t make great recruiters greater—it just stops th…
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Upwork’s €20M Bupty Bet, Denmark’s Deepfake Crackdown, and Europe’s 4-Day Work Week
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53:08Forget the Eiffel Tower, kids—we’re climbing the recruitment rollercoaster instead. Upwork’s shopping spree in Holland (Bupty? Buptie? Bupkis?), Denmark’s going full Face/Off to keep Nic Cage off Viggo’s jawline, and the UK is suddenly allergic to Fridays. Joel’s out dropping Cole at college, so Chad is joined by Belgium’s royal pain Lieven and Sco…
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🎧 This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast: AI hiring lawsuits pile up faster than unread LinkedIn DMs Upwork tries on staffing’s Blockbuster costume Deel debuts creepy digital clones (no, not the cool Star Wars kind) And Joel cries in Bloomington while Chad rants about Tim Apple It’s HR tech, corporate drama, and just enough bad jokes to make you qu…
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Shredded: Visage, Rolebot, Workday, Upwork, Professional.me, Deel, & More
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Domino’s HR Tech Transformation with Matt King
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25:31Domino’s isn’t just delivering pizza in 30 minutes or less anymore—they’re trying to deliver candidates, too. In this episode, we sit down with Matt King, Director of HR Tech at Domino’s, to talk AI, ATS drama, and why franchisees always have “better ideas” than corporate. From killing off Kenexa (RIP, nobody misses you) to jumping into bed with Sm…
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It's the End of Entry Level Jobs as We Know It (and I Feel Fine) : Silicon Valley Gets Hard
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51:05Hold onto your headphones, folks, because the Chad and Cheese Podcast is serving up a hilarious, hot-mess buffet of insights that’ll leave you laughing and maybe a little worried about your career! This episode, your hosts sling snarky banter like baristas tossing espresso shots, breezing through early chit-chat about travel woes, Coldplay’s drama-…
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Shredded: ZipRecruiter, DHI Group, AgileATS, Kelly Services, Darwinbox, Upwork, Bubty & More
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Why Working in HR Sucks Right Now with Sarah Needleman
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28:25In this episode, the boys chat with Sarah Needleman, Business Insider’s Leadership and Workplace Correspondent, formerly of the Wall Street Journal for 23 years. Her article, “If You Think Your Job Is Hard Right Now, Try Working in HR,” dives into HR’s brutal post-2020 landscape: mass layoffs (like Microsoft’s 9,000 cuts) burden HR with soul-crushi…
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In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman—HR tech's dynamic duo of snark and smarts—serve up a buffet of industry drama with their trademark banter that'll have you chuckling harder than a recruiter dodging ghosting complaints. They start by painting a gloomy economic picture, complete with workforce imbalanc…
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Shredded: Sparrow, Wingspan, Bullhorn, TargetRecruit, Tako, Workday, Recruit Holdings & More
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Bias: AI vs. Human - Mobley v. Workday is Just the Beginning
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31:12In this episode, the boys chat with Jeff Pole, the big brain behind Warden AI, for a no-holds-barred chat about AI bias in talent acquisition. They sliced and diced a juicy report comparing AI’s quirks to good ol’ human prejudice, serving up some spicy legal takes on what happens when robots play HR. The trio threw shade at sloppy AI systems, stres…
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On this week’s show: 🔌 Bold yanks the plug on Monster’s Euro-zone job boards faster than you can say “thoughtful transition.” Spoiler: if you had job credits, they’re as good as Monopoly money now. 🤡 Jamie & Doug send a painfully boring email instead of showing their faces. JT’s advice? Ditch the letter, pick up a camera, and maybe lose the flannel…
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Live from UNLEASH America 2025, we’re serving up serious talent strategy with Meghan Rhatigan, VP of Talent Acquisition Experience at Marriott—and spoiler alert: job boards are dying, chatbots are rising, and recruitment will never be the same. Inside this episode: 🤖 The rise (and limits) of chatbots 🔍 Why some candidates still prefer search over a…
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In this episode, hosts start off with, what else, soccer snark, discussing Chelsea's Trump drama, then a little Tour de France trash-talk. Chad roasts Monster Europe's collapse, blasting Randstad and Apollo as "corporate cowards" ditching workers like bad dates. They dissect HelloWork's lawsuit against Indeed for yanking ATS feeds—Chad calls it a d…
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On this week's episode, Moe comes out hot and spills on "Coldplay-Gate," that viral kiss-cam fiasco where a couple (turns out, cheating execs from Astronomer) bolted like they saw a ghost. It's not just gossip—it's schadenfreude gold, highlighting how the C-suite plays by different rules. Joel highlights ZipRececruiter's most recent marketing strat…
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Shredded: Bold Holdings, ZipRecruiter, Perplexity, Ashby, Velocity Global, Employment Hero, Seek, & More
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Fixing the Candidate Pipeline with Alla Mezhvinsky
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45:10Live from UNLEASH America, it’s an unfiltered convo with Steve Bartel (CEO, Gem) and Alla Mezhvinsky (VP, Talent & Workplace, Glean)—and it’s not your average kumbaya on hiring trends. 🧠 From AI-fueled chaos to tech stack therapy sessions, we’re diving headfirst into: 🤖 Resume spam and deepfake candidates 💸 Scaling dreams on skeleton budgets 🧱 Plat…
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In this episode, Chad and Cheese return from RecFest with sunburns, stories, and just enough energy to unpack a week full of WTFs. They kick things off with a heartfelt tribute to their late friend Matt Lavery, proof that even these two have a soft side under the sarcasm. But don’t get too comfortable, there’s plenty of industry drama to dig into. …
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Shredded: Wibo, Job.com, Recruit Holdings, CareerBuilder, Monster, Ordio, LinkedIn, & More
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In this episode, the boys roll out the red carpet for Ankit Kalda, a finance brainiac from Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business. They dive into the gig economy’s role as a financial lifeboat for laid-off workers, tossing around ideas like Uber drivers dodging debt faster than a bad Tinder date. The crew chews over how gig work reshapes th…
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This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast: 💀 Job.com hits Chapter 11 – because apparently lighting $50-100 million on fire isn't a sustainable business strategy. Who knew? 🔁 Who's buying Job.com? Apparently Job.com! 🧠 CTO is owed $300K 🧃 Business model of doom. Imagine Fyre Festival for jobs 🔮 PE firms, VC money, zero logic – If you ever wanted a mast…
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One-Page Talent Management with Marc Effron
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33:58In this episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash roll out the welcome mat for Marc Effron, the big cheese at Talent Strategy Group and coauthor of One Page Talent Management. The trio dives headfirst into the wild jungle of talent management, where CEOs and HR are apparently playing a bad game of telephone. Marc d…
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In this episode, the gang kicks off with Canada Day banter, praising poutine and noting its July 1 celebration. The trio plans to rock RecFest UK in Knebworth, with J.T. plotting to heckle the boys. The core discussion dives into Indeed’s aggressive moves to dominate hiring, forcing agencies to adopt APIs and share disposition data, reminiscent of …
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Shredded: Jobright, Joveo, CareerBuilder, Monster, Wisq, & More
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In this episode, your loyal hosts roll out the red carpet for Jim Durbin, the industry's "Indeed Whisperer," who’s here to spill the beans on Indeed’s latest shenanigans. The trio dives into Indeed’s shiny new job posting policies, the corporate game of telephone gone wrong inside the company, and how this hot mess is shaking up agencies and recrui…
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JobGet Buys Monster? Inside the CareerBuilder Fire Sale
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54:08In another lively episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman, Chad Sowash, and J.T. O’Donnell blend humor with industry insights. The show tackles a grim industry shake-up: CareerBuilder and Monster’s job board business is being sold to JobGet amid Chapter 11 bankruptcy. JobGet’s gobbling distressed assets like Snagajob, but Chad q…
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Shredded: CareerBuilder, Monster, Sixcel, Teleperformance, Appcast, Traxlo, Udemy & More
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Buckle up for another wild ride on The Chad and Cheese Podcast, where our hosts sling hot takes faster than a fast food drive-thru! This episode’s a global smorgasbord, kicking off with a shout-out to Portugal’s national football team, who’re apparently scoring goals like they’re auditioning for a Hollywood blockbuster. Olé! Then, the lads pivot to…
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CNET's Katherine Watt: Tackling the Jobless Jungle
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40:03On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the boys lasso CNET money maestro Katherine Watt to dissect the job market’s wild west. Watt spills the beans on why unemployment stats are about as reliable as a weather app in a hurricane, exposing the gritty reality job seekers face. They wrangle topics like the “Great Stay” snoozefest, where workers…
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This week, hosts Chad Sowash, Joel Cheesman, and Emi Beredugo sling zingers at the tech and policy chaos of today's work of work. First up, they cackle over OpenAI’s Sam Altman throwing shade at Meta, claiming Zuck’s crew dangled $100 million bonuses to poach his AI wizards. Altman, smirking on his brother’s podcast, scoffed, “Meta’s not exactly an…
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Shredded: Parqa, Job&Talent, CareerBuilder, Monster, Jet HR, WorkWhile, OpenAI, & More
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Inside Apple’s China: Secrets, Supply Chains, and Geopolitics with Patrick McGee
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45:17In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman interview Patrick McGee, a former Financial Times reporter and author of Apple in China: The Capture of the World’s Greatest Company. The discussion delves into McGee’s book, which explores Apple’s transformative relationship with China, its massive investments, and t…
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In this lively Chad and Cheese podcast episode, our courageous hosts tackle the recruitment world with wit and sarcasm. They mourn the downfall of job board giants CareerBuilder and Monster, now on the clearance rack, as private equity bean counters strip them bare. Chad laments their lack of vision, while Joel predicts three fates: a ZipRecruiter …
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Shredded: CareerBuilder, Monster, SeekOut, Indeed, Sintra, ai.work, Deel, & More
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Fasten your tech-hipster bum bags—Chad, Lieven, and Emi globe-trot through HR mayhem, startup soap operas, and political facepalms. 🦄 Parloa’s riding high while Builder.ai’s IPO dreams crash-land like dad jokes at a startup open mic. 🚁 Ukrainian drone startups schooling old-guard giants in DIY warfare. 🇪🇺 Tesla’s getting ghosted harder than your la…
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Why HR Doesn't—Can't—Work with Jordan Birnbaum
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29:47Buckle up for a riotous romp through the HR jungle on The Chad and Cheese Podcast! Hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash, the dynamic duo of workplace wit, are joined by Jordan Birnbaum, the Glinda Group’s co-founder and resident HR wizard, who’s ready to zap some sense into the corporate chaos. Armed with his industrial-organizational psychology and…
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On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, it’s birthday hangovers, five liters of port, and one big "healthy budget" middle finger from Indeed. Maureen “Mo” Clough is back and just in time to witness Chris Hyams “decide” to leave his CEO chair... right before his old boss waltzes in and takes it. Coincidence? LOL. 👉 Indeed jacks up prices and s…
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Shredded: Indeed, Daxtra, Deel, Vangst, Ehave, WedgeHR, UKG, & More
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Compliance Chaos in 2025 w/ Jeremy Mancheski
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24:43On this episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, the boys lasso in Jeremy Mancheski, the big kahuna at OutSolve, for a wild ride through the HR compliance jungle. Jeremy drops truth bombs about why HR compliance is the unsung hero of keeping companies out of hot water, all while juggling the chaos of ever-shifting regulations like a circus clown. Th…
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