Ep 141: Are You Okay Enough Now? with Barbara Sheehan-Zeidler

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What if the most powerful therapy happens not in "safe spaces," but in "brave spaces"? This game-changing conversation with Barbara Sheehan-Zeidler, a licensed professional counselor from Colorado, challenges our fundamental understanding of the therapeutic relationship.
Barbara introduces us to the profound concept of brave space through Micky ScottBey Jones's poem, which begins: "Together we will create brave space, because there is no such thing as a safe space." This perspective shift transforms how therapists approach their work—moving from attempting to create perfect safety to fostering courage and resilience alongside their clients.
Using the powerful metaphor of a lighthouse, Barbara explains how therapists can maintain their steady presence while clients navigate the rocky waters of their emotional experiences. Rather than rushing to rescue clients from their struggles, therapists can provide a constant beacon that helps clients find their own way back to regulation. This approach honors clients' innate capacity for healing while preventing therapist burnout.
The distinction between heroism and courage emerges as a central theme. "Heroism is when I go slay your dragon," Barbara explains, "while courage and being brave is watching you slay your own dragon." This perspective empowers clients to develop true self-agency rather than dependency on the therapist. Similarly, the simple addition of the word "enough" when asking "Are you okay enough now?" acknowledges that healing happens incrementally and gives clients permission to be works in progress.
For therapists and anyone in helping roles, this conversation offers a sustainable approach to supporting others without sacrificing your own well-being. Learn why authentic presence matters more than perfect technique, and how creating brave spaces allows both therapists and clients to show up more fully in the healing journey.

For more about Barbara's incredible work, check out her website: Meet Barbara - Creative & Caring Counseling

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Chapters

1. Ep 141: Are You Okay Enough Now? with Barbara Sheehan-Zeidler (00:00:00)

2. Welcome with Dr. Beth Tramiel (00:00:12)

3. Meet Barbara Sheehan-Zeidler (00:01:11)

4. What Bravery Means in Therapy (00:05:39)

5. The Lighthouse in Rocky Waters (00:08:26)

6. Courage vs. Heroism (00:14:35)

7. Creating Brave Space Together (00:21:58)

8. Final Thoughts on Authentic Healing (00:28:17)

9. Contact Information and Closing (00:37:48)

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