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The Last 28 Years of Us

The last 28 years (or there abouts) of zombie films have really changed the face of the genre. With the introduction of fast zombies, and then the addition of different zombie types; like Rage monsters, infected, fungus monsters, behemoths, clickers, alphas, etc… we have come a long way from the barely threatening shambling shufflers of yesteryear. We’re not even confined to the big screen any more, with Zombies being perfect fodder for prestige TV, as well as cinema screens. Two watershed moments are our topic for discussion in this show; the continuation of the genre re-defining 28 Days later series and the second season of the Televisual video game adaptation tour-de-force series The Last of Us.

In this episode both Dion and Jill are your designated survivors, while Quinny and Peta both try to outrun hordes of zombies in very different parts of the world.

Synopsis

It’s been almost three decades since the rage virus escaped from a biological weapons laboratory. Still living in a ruthlessly enforced quarantine, some have found ways to exist amid the infected. One such group of survivors lives on a small island connected to the mainland by a single, heavily defended causeway. When one of them decides to venture into the dark heart of the mainland, he soon discovers a mutation that has spread to not only the infected, but other survivors as well.

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Full text transcript

Dion

Oh, Jerry. Jerry. Jerry. Hello and welcome to the periodic table of also. My name is Deon. And tonight I am joined by Joe. Alrighty. Hello. Hello it is. Dearing.

Jill

Yes, it is just the. Last of Us here tonight.

Dion

You’re you’re. You’re. You’re quite right there, Jill. It is the Last of Us. And that’s what makes it important. We are having the best year and everyone in the chat. Hello chat. Hello. We are doing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, OK, where is everyone? Peter is doing fancy things in a foreign country because she’s very important.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

Present. And and Quinney is a very complete **** who decided that he was gonna go and watch some stupid D&D thing instead of. And have to go down there.

Jill

Yeah, the first five hours was not enough for.

Dion

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jill

Us to go to another. State to do it all over again.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah, he’s gone. He’s gone more hours into changing thing, which he booked in ages ago. It’s absolutely fair. You can have a holiday, mate. You’re allowed, but not for us. Jill and I are gonna sit here, and we were just going to talk about one specific genre of zombie. But we’re now we’re getting. Because we got. To go well, I got to go and see a different zombie. The last week we’re going to do 2 zombie universes tonight, so half and half kind of thing we’re going to do the last of the season 2 recap and also I will talk a little bit, very non spoilery I think about.

Jill

Dion

28 years later. Because, yeah, I feel like if I spoiled anything, you would be. Able to get your pitchforks and torches and chase me out of the encampment.

Jill

Yeah, I mean it’s. Fairly newly released as we talk about it so.

Dion

Yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

Yes, sorry about that. There we. Go do you? Wanna run it? No, I don’t wanna. I don’t wanna ruin anything. But I do have some thoughts. I have thoughts, but we’ll keep that to the second one, OK?

Jill

Dion

Last of Us season 2, how are we all going and this one? I will say Last of Us is.

Jill

Yes, yes.

Dion

Do. Come on, you’ve got to.

Jill

We’re gonna talk spoilers. It’s been the last episode. Has been out weeks ago. When does it finish? Martha. Weird. Yeah.

Dion

Yeah, it’s it’s. Yeah, it’s been out for like it’s it’s, it’s the the statute of limitations is done. I put the spoiler logo up. Everyone would have watching it anyway. I can’t. And also they spoiled it.

Jill

Last one.

Dion

Themselves. AH, HBO, Max or whatever. They now HBO Max. Max the go. Yeah. Yeah. HBO Max again.

Jill

HBO Max again.

Dion

They’ve they’ve done their own thing. Everyone knows Joel had an unfortunate second episode ending. Yes. So I don’t think there’s much we can sort of dance around now, do you? Did you require any thoughts about? The first season, Jill like, did you need to go back? And go actually what did. Happen in the first season.

Jill

Uh, not so much. I mean, the final episode was. Pretty.

Speaker

Uh.

Jill

Memorable. I guess you could. Say like that stuck in the. Head. But there might have been like a few things where I’m like, oh, I don’t quite remember that or this and that as they were.

Dion

It’s did it.

Jill

Like. You know, as it was reproached on the second season.

Dion

Did it stick in the head like a nine iron?

Jill

Ah, yeah, very reminiscent.

Dion

Yes, OK.

Jill

Now you and I both have not played the.

Dion

Yes.

Jill

Second game.

Dion

Yes, and that was an interesting experience, I’ve gotta say, because I had not played the second I played the first one. So I was watching the TV show the first season and I’m like, I know what’s happening here and, you know, people, I’m watching it with. I’m like, Ohh it’s gonna happen.

Speaker

Mm-hmm.

Dion

But in this one I’m going into it blind and I’m just like, I don’t know what’s going to happen. And I have people texting me about stuff that was happening and I’m texting the back going. I haven’t played the second one.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

And they were like, no, you’re lying anyway. And they kept talking to me.

Jill

Yeah, you had a lot of. Trouble with spoilers for this season.

Dion

I had so many troubles with spoilers for season 2, but it’s fine now. I mean, I I didn’t need the. Shock. Of things I can go back and play the game. I look forward to playing the game one day.

Jill

When it’s not still incredibly expensive.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, come on. Discounts. Where’s your steam sale? But it’s not because it’s a PlayStation exclusive. Yeah. So and PlayStation don’t like selling stuff.

Jill

Surely PewDiePie has a playthrough watch on?

Speaker 1

YouTube.

Speaker

Why would I?

Dion

Do that. Why would I not want to do the thing where you go to make the thing happen and then die and then go, Oh my God. Well, get the jump. Scared. Sounds strange. Anyway, last of the season 2. I required a little bit of a recap about wait, what did happen and thankfully they did. A small recap about. Ohh yeah, all of that did and you know at the end Joel saving Ellie, killing a bunch of people and then. You know what happened later after they found Tommy?

Jill

Here we are.

Dion

Here we are.

Jill

Five years later.

Dion

Five years later, Ellie’s being a little bit Moody, angst. The. End of teenager. I can’t say teenager cause. She’s full grown.

Jill

She’s 19. She’s still a teenager, huh?

Dion

Yeah. OK. Fair enough. In the in the weird place that, you know, everything seems to be going on, but there’s a problem. There’s a schism between Ellie and Joel and we don’t really know what that is. And then this is. The second season, what happens then? I I mean, I could do a synopsis.

Jill

But sure.

Dion

No, I can’t. I I don’t actually have one in front of me I haven’t prepared. Do you know why I don’t usually prepare this?

Jill

Because we always rely on quinny to.

Speaker 4

Do it. Oh my.

Dion

And I can’t. I can’t do a **** accent or anything. I’ve got none of that. So I’m just gonna imagine one.

Jill

God, I didn’t even think about it either. You’re going to give us a bit of, like, Southern droll Pedro’s voice.

Dion

Yeah, I saved. Her. I gotta. I gotta say, though, I did have a. That. A bit of fun watching the second season seeing some people pop up. In particular. Catherine O’Hara. Yeah. Who I was just like, oh, my God. And just doing a straight dramatic role and still managing. And still, like, punching out what I thought was, you know, both comedy and.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

You know, drama at the same beat. And I was like, that’s why she’s a great actor.

Jill

Yeah, I think comedic actors do such a profound job, but dramatic roles it’s it’s, yeah, they’re great.

Speaker

Right.

Dion

Yes. Comedy is tragedy, and once you understand that. But yeah, like I I was quite enjoying watching. Things go through and getting the introduction to Abby as a as a new cast member.

Jill

Yes. We saw in apple cider vinegar doing an Australian accent only a couple of.

Dion

Yeah, yeah. Months ago. Yeah, a little bit of whiplash on that one, wasn’t it was like, oh, we all watched apple cider vinegar. And then the next thing we see is her.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

Turning up in the lasses and I’m. Like what? What, what? How how did that? How did that get there? Yeah, Abby. Who’s the character? Who was the daughter of the guy? That was the scientist that Joel shot at the end of the first season. So no wonder she has the right to revenge.

Jill

Yeah.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

As we kind of estimate. In this and that’s where it all kind of. Goes, starts to go pear shaped for old Joel. And Ellie?

Jill

I’d say coffin shaved but.

Dion

Yeah, whatever often shaped sorry. Yes, the hello, pretty tangy there. Yes, name is Abby Montoya. You killed my father, prepared to die. Look, I have to admit in the in the sense of this while I was watching the trailer when this was playing like on the intro to this and I was like there was a lot of action.

Speaker

Mm-hmm.

Dion

In this season that I kind of completely forgot about because I was more interested in watching the characters as I went through and I forgot exactly how much like kind of bang for your buck we got with this, especially considering you know. It was the second episode upon which we lost our beloved Pedro Pascal, who had other filming duties to go while he was still, you know, space Dad and now comic Dad.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

Why have they just cast him as dad in everything?

Jill

Yeah, he is dead.

Dion

He’s the internet’s daddy. All those who leaned into it? Sure. You know what kind of daddy am I today? Zombie daddy. Space daddy. Comics comic Zaddy what could what could be the next daddy for Pedro?

Jill

Ohh you watched materialists. Was he a daddy in that one?

Dion

As finance Daddy, that’s just sugar. Yeah, in that one, I feel like he was just Sugar Daddy.

Jill

Ohh there you go.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah. But like, yeah, but not on. Do you know what I have to say? Even the Julius, he wasn’t an awful sugar daddy. You you think about this thing like, oh, he’s a terrible sugar daddy. It’s like he wasn’t an awful sugar daddy. You just didn’t really have the capacity for love anyway. That’s a different film.

Jill

No.

Dion

Uh. Yeah, like, how did you feel with all this introduction of the new characters and watching these different dynamics change it, change your opinion of it of the second season?

Jill

I really liked the new characters. I liked Dina and Jesse, who got to see more of.

Speaker

Yep.

Dion

The.

Jill

Yeah, it was great cause like you need a bit more depth like. Yes, we were so caught up with Joel and Ellie in season 1. Like they were our ride or dies like we were following their story. But now that they’ve, like, set up in Jackson and there’s a whole community around them, yeah, you start to see how they’ve developed as humans in a community without having to rely on each other so much. And I think that is where, like the huge dynamic between Ellie and.

Speaker

Sorry, I was gonna say Daddy.

Dion

Daddy, Pedro.

Jill

Ohh ******* hell Joe. Oh my God. Yeah. The schism that starts to grow between the two of them because, like, you do have these other relationships around them now and. There is the. The stuff about what happened at the end of season 1, what happened with the Fireflies? Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah.

Dion

And. Yeah. And and I I like. That we get to see a little bit of growth. In terms of all of this, I I was quite I was waiting for a little bit of a turn because, you know, in the I went back to watch the first season before the second season came and I got as far as that episode. With the 2 with Nick Offerman and oh God, I’ve got the other actor and I got halfway through. I’m like, Nope, can’t do this. No, no, I can’t do this. I can’t do it. I can’t do it. It’s it’s too emotionally damaging. So, like, when I was watching Season 2, I’m like, OK, what have you got here? What you got? All right. It’s really very much like Ellie trying to grow.

Jill

Ohh yeah rain. Ends.

Dion

Everyone is kind of a bit ****** these days. They get into awkward. The zombies and they tried to elevate the whole kind of thing this season, which was like, oh, they’re maybe the smart one. You know.

Jill

Yes, we do get a new zombie introduced the stalker zombies.

Dion

Yeah, they’re kind of. Yeah. And then there’s the whistling people with this.

Jill

Yes.

Dion

And it’s all kind of like, well, who are we supposed to be here? And and it it did come back to a little bit of that. Like, ohh, who? Is the actual bad person here? Is it the? People infected with Cordyceps, or is it the? Humans is humanity the real problem, which I will say ties in quite nicely to later on in this show when we talk about 28. Years later.

Jill

Oh.

Dion

Which is there’s a little bit of a tie in of of zombie law. I just like the fact that in this, this TV show, they expanded on a bit and then they also did the same thing in 28 years later in a smart way. Which is good, but in this one yes, smart stalker. Quarter steps, people.

Jill

Yeah, it’s all good zombies creepy.

Dion

And this time they’re talking more about aerated. Four steps to the spore ones, which was in the first game as well as the BLOATER, was also in the first game. OK yeah.

Jill

Arms wars. Ohh you gotta spread your stuff. Out you can’t.

Dion

Yeah, there’s not.

Jill

You can’t show. All your cards in the first season.

Dion

Yeah, there’s not a lot of, you know, space. You can go to like, I mean, I’m I didn’t play the game, but I’m pretty sure that you can’t, really. It’s like, well, we’ve already got all of these zombies. They’re. Freaky enough as it is. What if we just add humans that whistle instead as the main villain?

Jill

Well, then you also have the wolves as well. Like you got your fireflies and you got your wolves. And then you got the. Oh, I wish I could remember what the the Colts name was.

Dion

Yeah. Oh, Sarah fights as I looked. Yeah, as someone said, like I was like, oh, it’s the terrified because I looked it up in a explainer about what they were. And someone said, what do you mean? No, they’re the scars.

Jill

The Sarah flights that’s there.

Dion

Because in the game they’re called scars, you know? Yeah.

Jill

Yeah, that makes me.

Dion

Which is interesting. At least you got a few more different pieces to play with. Bit bit more on the chess board.

Jill

Exactly. They’re in a nuanced world. It’s not just black and white. It’s not just Jackson. And outside of Jackson, you’ve got, like, you know, everybody else trying to make their way in this bizarre world that they find themselves in. And I think the good thing about the second game is that you have two narratives. You’ve got allies. Narrative and you’ve got abbys and you actually get to play as both. Characters. So whilst we get introduced, you didn’t know that. Yeah, you’ll find out when you watched the the playthrough, so we do get to see quite a bit of Ellie’s perspective.

Speaker

Alright.

Dion

I I did not know. That. I did not know that. Maybe just buy that ******* game.

Jill

In season 2. And they did a very clever thing where you get through like the whole of this season and they start the. Like the start of the season, you when they get to Seattle it says day one Seattle. So what they do at the end is like after you’ve seen like the whole way through to the end of Ellie’s narrative, you wake up with Abby and it’s day one again. So like, now we’re going to see season 3 all from. Abby’s perspective, and it’s a really clever way of them to be able to continue this story because yes, it was only two video games and they covered the first one so succinctly in the first season. So how do you keep building a TV?

Dion

Yeah.

Jill

Show.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah, it’s difficult to do with those narratives. But interesting because, you know first one, it’s just Joel Dinelli kind of. You know situation and this one, there’s many more moving parts and adding that complexity of well it’s a grey area. Are these people good? Who is good, who is bad, are they actually morally wrong? They’re doing terrible things. But then they also do other terrible things.

Speaker

Yeah.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

And all the while, we’ve still got, you know, zombies. Yep, which are the real ones there. Did you have any nice, scary moments in the second season that you thought worked quite well?

Jill

Oh my God, the zombies that were frozen under the ice were the most terrifying I think, because you just don’t.

Speaker

Yeah.

Jill

Know when they’re. Gonna wake up.

Dion

Yeah. When the Thor and they’re just like.

Jill

And we, yeah. And we did get to see a moment where the whole ground was zombies coming in snow, and then they wake up.

Dion

What’s boring? Yeah. And then they wake up and they start to go. Ohh, hang on a second. We found you. Or especially like going to the pipe work and stuff because that’s.

Speaker

You.

Dion

The the interesting thing. I think of zombies these days. Is that the idea of that relentlessness of the it’s it’s always been a great thing, I think even going back to The Walking Dead or the land of the dead or the, you know, the the.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

Ones which is the zombies are interesting characters because they’re relentless. They don’t sleep, they just have a need to feed and they will always eventually just wear you down, so you can’t relax. You can’t go to sleep. You’re always kind of bit panicky and I kind of like that here, even though it looked in Jackson. That everything was fine and they’re trying to rebuild society. You still got all the other stuff in there. There’s bigots, there’s ********. There’s people who aren’t letting you do what you want to do. There’s adults, there’s children, there’s chores, you know, all that kind of stuff. But there’s also still this pervasive. Nature of the zoom.

Jill

Oh yes.

Dion

The zone. Ohh train. You haven’t done the the homework. Wait. What? Which homework is it? We’re talking the Last of Us, which is season 2 or 28 years later, which I will not spoil. Look I. I think one of the more interesting things about the season 2 of the Last of Us was that I was a bit unsatisfied and I thought a few of the leaps that they took of their ability to do stuff was.

Jill

Oh.

Dion

A bit far.

Jill

In what circumstance?

Dion

Like, I mean, I saw well remember because I haven’t played the game, so I don’t know what the ***** going on really, OK. And like when Ellie got to Seattle and there is a horrible storm and the Bay is all over the shop and everything, but she just jumps in a boat and and goes across. And I’m like, at what ******* point does she know how to, like, do a boat? I mean, I looked at that and.

Speaker

Right.

Dion

I’m like, I know **** all about boats. I would not get into a motorboat and try and get across a. Wild Storm Bay, no matter how much I needed my revenge.

Jill

Yeah, that was kind of intense.

Dion

You know.

Jill

That did feel. Like a cutscene, though, especially when you know she got discovered by the Sarah Whites and you’re like, oh, **** this.

Dion

Yeah. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I mean, you know, an interesting group. I’m still wondering about this. Those scar people like, who are they praying to? Who is that? Like we find out that they’re religious fundamentalists. That’s right. And that the people are fighting a war against them. But what’s the war over? Is it resources? Is it? You know.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

Is it like in the first season when you had? That town, which was run basically by a militia. You know, is that what’s happening? You know. I don’t know. I don’t know.

Jill

Start to speculate. We hopefully we can find out some more info in the next.

Dion

It’s tough to speak. Some more, I mean I did. I did like the the bits that I had found out later were direct references and ripped from the game, which was, you know, the birthday stuff to show that there was like, I mean, that was also.

Jill

Oh, God. Alright. Talk about the freaking emotion. How many times did you cry in this season? Cause that birthday episode killed me.

Dion

Yeah, the the the birthday ones where he was going through like always doing something nice for the birthday and then you realize that the relationship had broken down to a stage. And there’s all this stuff. But then there’s also Ellie sexuality and a whole bunch of other things that are all coming through it for for different reasons. I really like that because it. Helped to add the context.

Speaker

Yes.

Dion

And that. You know, even though people might not have been happy with it, I’m talking in the game. Oh, sorry. The TV show. It’s growth. It’s humanity. Yeah, and it was interesting across the backdrop of this. Horrible apocalypse. And and Abby. Who just wants death and murder? Yes.

Jill

Yeah. Did you enjoy the small moments we got of Jeffrey Wright and his character?

Dion

Especially cause he was horrible, was he?

Jill

Horrible. Was he though? I.

Dion

Mean. I mean, to be honest. Yeah. Because he was kind of like skinning someone alive. Or, you know, really torturing someone. And yeah, I mean this is what I say. This one just made things very complex because it just showed everyone as are they good or bad and there are no good and bad. There’s just different varying levels of will.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

And presenting it in such a way that it’s. Kind of like. But they’re are they necessarily bad for it or not? And it’s complicated?

Jill

Yeah. So what would you do to survive? That’s.

Dion

But it’s not complicated. It’s not complicated because you just look at the the the the Cordyceps infected people and you shoot them. But even that was complicated cause. Do you let the Cordyceps infected person come back and say goodbye to their wife or do you not?

Jill

What’s the answer? Ah, yes, and so many Shades of Grey.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I feel like this second season was annoying in that way.

Jill

Annoying or making you actually do some thinking.

Dion

No, I mean. I love a good thought of as much as the next person once a year, but in this one I was just kind of like I want more of the story. Now I can see where you’re going.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

And it was great to do have this season, but it felt like. It it it? Was only part of the story, which is intentional. Yeah, you know.

Jill

I think they’re just doing such a good job of crafting. The narrative from the games into TV. And if anybody is interested, there is an official podcast hosted by what’s his name? Travis.

Dion

Ohh the the voice actor Joel voice actor. Yeah.

Jill

Voice actor.

Dion

Yeah, it is, Travis, I’ve forgotten.

Jill

What’s his last?

Dion

Name someone will give it to me.

Jill

Completely mind blank.

Dion

It’s Nolan North and Travis Baker. Yes. Yes, it’s Nolan North and Travis Baker. The only two voice actors that do anything.

Jill

Yes. Baker. Thank you. Oh my God.

Speaker

Who?

Jill

Travis Bag is hosted by Travis Baker and he every episode has Nick and Craig who you know, Nick created the game. Craig created the show 2 of them, Troy Baker. Jesus ******* Christ.

Dion

Troy Baker. All right.

Jill

Anyway, we got there in the end. It’s the three of. Them Travis Barker from. Blink 182 anyway, they break down each episode, so I recommend watching Chicken episode and listening to the podcast about how they they break it down.

Dion

Funny enough, there’s blink 182 say so I’m saying what’s my? Name again.

Jill

Troy Baker.

Dion

How did? How did Troy? How did Troy Baker have time? Because he was doing all the mocap and voice acting for death Stranding 2, which is set in Australia, which is a ******* whiplash. I don’t know.

Speaker 1

Oh.

Dion

Right.

Jill

Who’s he? Who’s he playing in death stranding?

Dion

Some guy with a guitar axe sword thing. Did I play the first one? No. Can anyone figure out what the **** I, hideo Kojima, Kojima game is? No, they’re not supposed to. Be. Understood. They’re just supposed to be played.

Jill

Exactly.

Dion

Yeah. Uh. OK. Do you wanna like ohh almost time for a little break before we go to the next one. But do you wanna give? It a rating what? Do you think of the? Second season, my God rating. Yeah, ****.

Jill

I’m writing it knock.

Dion

4/4 out of 100 I’ll give you is that a starter 95? Are you having a great time with it?

Speaker

What are these?

Jill

Yes. Makes me feel things.

Dion

Amazing. It’s an emotion engine.

Speaker

It.

Jill

Is I. It’s a put down your phone. And watch TV show.

Dion

True.

Jill

Right, many of them around.

Dion

Oh yeah, sorry. Special shout out to my favorite character from the second season so far, which is Dina.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Dion

Because I never thought Dora the Explorer. Yes.

Speaker 1

She looks like Pandora. Ohh ****.

Dion

Yeah. Isabella Massad as, as Dina and I was like, I was watching this going. That’s ******* Dora the.

Speaker

Explorer.

Dion

I love this.

Speaker 1

Oh my God.

Dion

I look, I truly, I truly believe the relationship between Ellie and Dina. I I believe Joel in his one and his therapy like I, I watched that, that that whole stuff was great. Someone had pointed out to me that Gabriel Luna’s Tommy in the game is a little different. In the sense that he’s not so much like.

Jill

Dion

He he wasn’t so quick to abandon the idea of getting revenge. For Joel’s death, he’s actually the person who goes. No, no. **** that. We’re gonna go and kill them, but I feel like they’re pushing some. They’re pushing a narrative with Ellie quite hard in this about the change and the darkness that she has.

Jill

Hmm. Yeah.

Speaker

Dion

And whether or not that is the right thing to do because she’s too focused on it.

Jill

Hmm.

Dion

Issues of focus on it, the detriment to every good thing in her life. That seems to be happening so. Interesting. I’m really interested in seeing the third season.

Jill

Yeah, me too.

Dion

So you giving you 90. Five, I think so, yeah. 95 doors of the explorers. I I I I’m slightly lower. I’m giving it like an 85 because. I think back to it and I’m like there’s. Not there’s not the bits that I remember from the first season. Like I remember the first season pretty much like bang on all the way through the funny bits and the sad bits and the emotional thing. I feel like there’s a little bit of loss in here. That I’m not quite with and, you know. Look, I like Caitlin Diva in this. There is a specific physicality that I understand from Abby.

Jill

Dion

In this that I feel she didn’t quite get, but that’s not her. That’s not a problem. It just to me it was kind of like ohh. I understand. The Abby and the game. And how that kind of works? Who knows it. Maybe I gotta play the game. Maybe that would would make it a bit better. And we have a whole season yet to catch up on this. Yes, yes, that’s all. That’s just my own.

Jill

You’re allowed to have one.

Dion

I’m glad to hear and it can be, and it can be wrong. I’m allowed to be wrong. Yeah. So let’s go have a look. Which one do you which I have two clips. Do you want action or do you want sweetness? Which one do you feel? That’s.

Jill

Hmm.

Dion

Sweetness. OK, this is the nicer part of Last of Us Season 2. Hope you’ll enjoy it.

Speaker 1

Talking away. I don’t know. I’ll say I’ll say anyway. Today’s another day finding shine.

Speaker

Come on. 1.

Speaker 1

Shine away. Be coming for your level can. Take. Take me. Oh, big oh into two. Needless to say.

Dion

Isn’t that absolutely delightful? Yes, all right. And a complete switch. Now we’re going to move across to what I consider the greatest zombie Dong movie of 2025. Ah. We’re going to talk. Yeah, we’re going to talk 28 years later, but we’re going to do, I’m going to do it in a specific spoiler way and also to acknowledge that, Jill, you have not.

Jill

Oh, I haven’t seen 28 days, 28 weeks.

Dion

28 years later. You didn’t see 28 days later, no. See 28 weeks later.

Jill

And they fasted zombies like.

Dion

Yeah. Did you see 28 days starring Sandra Bullock? No. Ohh. OK. So OK 28 days starring Sandra Bullock is a very interesting beginning to this for for movie arc, which is about her in rehab. And then they went to zombies in 28 days. Later. No, no, it’s it’s quite a fun gag about that. But anyway, 28 days later, Killian. Trophy sort of underground shooting by Danny Boyle by doing things, trying to get, like, trying to make London look empty by shooting on digital and also doing it in London.

Jill

MHM.

Dion

Is real tough and doing things like shooting at 3:00 AM and 5:00 AM and trying to like close off 1 lane of traffic and then CGI out the the traffic and cars and stuff worked really well. And I remember years ago it was probably my first. True horror zombie movie. And added the terrifying. New rule to the zombie law, which was super fast zombies and also highly highly infectious zombies. And if you get bitten by it, you’ve got maybe 30 seconds before you start vomiting blood. Your eyes go all blood red with rage. And you turn into a mindless kind of infection machine.

Jill

OK, so none of this slow burn ********.

Dion

None of this slow burn, like one of one of the fun things about it is. It’s like if you. Eaten.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

The person who who has been bitten will probably turn within 30 seconds, so you have decisions to make. Yeah. And they do that quite a bit in the film, which is just like, Oh my God, you have to kill them. Umm. And you have to make sure you don’t get. Any blood on you? Because it also blood spray if it gets into your like mouth or your eyes or. Anything like that? You’ve got.

Jill

It zombie aids.

Dion

Zombie aids. So not only will they bite you, but they will also, and they also do like the other thing, but they also do like highly awful stuff like vomit, blood. Thing.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

Cause the zombies in this are really fast, but all they wanna do is transmit the virus.

Jill

Oh, OK.

Dion

That’s their whole kind of go. So there’s a little bit of background on it and of course this was this was one of the new ones like the new kind of ones where it’s like, oh, these zombies are ******* fast, they run you down and they call out and more turn up because if they hear that and they move as a horde.

Jill

Yeah. OK. Terrifying. Terrifying.

Dion

So. And then done and then they do really. Great, you know. Hmm. Things like oh, and then when you get out and you’re alone for a long time, how does that go, you know, or, you know, it’s fields and and also these zombies have no sense of self preservation. So they just kind of throw, you know. All of that anyway, 2828 weeks later, interesting show. Go watch. It. Use the new technology and also. Danny Boyle, you know, had a big career after that. Doing a lot of different films and then there was 28 weeks later, which also had Jeremy Renner in it.

Jill

Dion

Yeah, which was them trying to repopulate London. They sort of created.

Speaker 1

Dion

An exclusion zone in a London a couple of London suburbs and stuff, and they’re trying to get people back by, you know, maintaining this exclusion zone and getting people back to normal. And that went badly. That just went so badly. So then we come to 28 years later, which is our next kind of 1.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

And it’s been a long time.

Jill

Yeah, 28 years.

Dion

And 28 years. And I gotta say. It’s. Really good and really confident.

Jill

Dion

But also.

Jill

What is the premise though?

Dion

Bonkers like it is *******.

Jill

If you had to synopsize it.

Dion

It’s ******* bonkers. I mean, I just realized one thing is that we did the clip, and then I did not at all play the trailer to 20.

Jill

Years later. OK. OK, well, let’s, let’s see your trailer. Then you can synopsize it.

Dion

This is. Yeah. Yeah. Because it’s yeah, yeah.

Jill

And tell me all about it.

Speaker

Aunty, what’s going on? Do make sit still, keep quiet and do not move from the spot.

Speaker 4

761159 and 20 miles a day 411-1732, the day before. Boop. Boop, boop, boop moving up and down again. There’s no discharge in. The war? No, don’t. Don’t. Don’t look at what’s in front of you. Boo Boo. Boo Boo. Moving up and down again. Men, men, men, men for men with watching them. There’s no discharge in the war. If your eyes dropped. They will get the top of. You full full full. Moving up and down. Again, there’s no charge in the war. The things are something different.

Speaker 5

Moving up and down again in the world.

Speaker 4

Dion

Yes, I know. OK, it’s unsettling. Yeah, exactly. And it is unsettling, and it’s intentionally unsettling. And the poem is boots by Richard Kipling, but done famously by an American actor who. Recorded it for, I think in 1915. So the poem.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

Is in 1908, which was written about the the psychological effect of onto soldiers of marching about the Boer War. Different and then it got recorded as like a as a whole thing for the Second World War and has been used by militaries as either a cadence or a March or it’s it’s so strange. It’s a poem about the psychological effect of marching used by the military. Anyway, yeah, they use the. This is why I say this film is kind of bonkers and it does open the same way with kids watching Teletubbies. Alright and giving you that context that hey in this world. It happened in the in the 90s.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

And it’s been 28 years since this happened, like it was the 90s when this happened. So in this.

Jill

World, but the 90s was 10 years ago.

Dion

Yeah, this was a couple of years, right? Like, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We’re all worried about Y.

Jill

Dion

2K stuff.

Jill

Ohh that would put me. In my 40s, who the ****?

Dion

Man, that’s not real. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But the this film is bonkers, but also supremely confident, like Danny Boyle is is a very competent filmmaker. Who knows exactly what he’s doing in this film.

Jill

Still over. 20.

Dion

And it’s like that that makes it. Really good. But it is also ******* nuts. And the last three minutes of it, I have to say the whiplash you get with the tonal shift that goes like goes out of it is just like, I’m still kind of going. I don’t even know what ******* happened in the last. 3 minutes of that film. But it’s just a total wild ride and I.

Jill

Is there some kind of loose plot?

Dion

Yes.

Jill

And it is.

Dion

Right. It’s 28, it’s 20. Finally, it’s 28 years later. There is an island colony or an island off the main island of Great Britain that is only accessible by a tidal fluid. Like basically a coral strand.

Jill

Uh-huh. Oh, OK.

Dion

And that is where a group of of survivors have. Of. Edged up like they and there and there are two two times during the day when it is you’re able to walk across to the mainland and they are just like a agrarian kind of community. You know, bullets are hard to come by. So they do bows and arrows and they’ve gone back to, like, a a sort of a medieval kind of way of doing things. And they occasionally. Send people out to scavenge and go on to the main area, but they have you. Know. Strict rules, which is if you don’t come back, no one is coming looking for you.

Jill

Hmm.

Dion

Like, we’re not going looking for you. So if you go and you don’t make it back. We’re not gonna, and no one will come out and rescue you. If we see you there, no one will go for you. You have to. If you go, you’ve gotta come back yourself under your own thing. And so that’s where we’ve got Craven the hunter.

Jill

Yes, tough *******.

Speaker

Uh-huh.

Dion

The the yeah. Aaron Taylor Johnson is using his English accent.

Speaker 1

Mm-hmm.

Jill

Oh no.

Dion

In this one. But he’s the father, and he’s taking out spike. Alfie Williams and I gotta say Alfie Williams is an actor who’s hasn’t done anything. He’s a he’s a kid in this, the 12 year old kid he. Was amazing. Like he’s really good and really believable. And you think it’s fine? Like it’s all fine and he’s he’s he’s 12 years old. So he’s being taken out by his father to go and scavenge and come back as you know, they try to teach people to do these things and then.

Speaker

Oh.

Dion

Of course, **** happens like **** is bad. **** happens and it’s about.

Jill

Yes.

Dion

Adding to the world and the law and how does how do you survive in that situation? It’s not really giving anything away. I don’t. I just don’t want to. Give stuff. Away of. Yeah. And, you know, there is, there is a bonkers character played by Ray Feins.

Jill

Course.

Speaker 4

No Voldemort.

Dion

Which is kind of the bone stuff that you see later, but he’s he’s presented as a crazy person. But is he crazy? You don’t really know. And one of the things that they do is they expand on the law of this virus and what the virus does to people and how what has, how has it mutated over these 28 years.

Jill

Voldemort. OK. Yeah.

Dion

Interesting. I mean. How do you how do you make zombies scary again? And this is where I kind of go. Danny Boyle is is deft at this because he knows what he’s doing. He’s confident, he’s like, ohh well, I had really fast ones. What if I slowed him down? And you’re like, what? What do you mean? So, you know, you’ve still got your fast ones.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

You’ve still got, but now I’m gonna have slow. Ones.

Jill

Dion

I know, and it it’s it’s it doesn’t make sense. It will in the IT will in the movie, you know, really, really like, you know. And I’m talking about Zombie Dong in this. There’s there’s a new, there’s a new kind of breed of the way they explain it is sometimes this the the rage virus didn’t sort of turn people mindless sometimes it acted like a super. Steroid and turned. Some of them really massive. OK, including the dogs, which totally they do not shy away from that. So it’s it’s Nosferatu kind of size, it’s. It’s like you sort of Watchmen sort of thing, and that is just a funny part and a side of it, which is kind of there. I mean, it’s good. It’s it’s, it’s.

Jill

Oh.

Dion

It’s good that them that he’s playing with. The the the world in a confident way going. Yeah. And this. And this is gonna happen. And this is gonna happen. And this is gonna happen and you’re like ****, right. And also keeping it in that. The vein of, like it happened in the 90s in this world and the world kind of kept going.

Jill

MHM.

Dion

And maybe they just kind of annexed Britain and went.

Jill

Oh.

Dion

Off you go. But the world kept going.

Jill

Right. OK.

Dion

So yeah, it’s it’s it’s really good. Like I’m and I’m really excited that they’re making sequels.

Jill

Oh.

Dion

Yeah, yeah, I didn’t know that either. They’re actually making a few more cause. Alex Garland had written this one, and the next one is actually coming out. Something called the Bone Temple.

Jill

Oh, OK.

Dion

Which would be explaining this, but I’ve got to say it was very confident, very. Some some new surprises in it, which is really good. And then. Like some bonkers ****. Just weird tonal directorial choices and because you haven’t seen 28 days later. Like there are some musical choices that are so abstract and aggressive that you’re like, what’s that for? And sometimes you look at and go, was this shot on an iPhone like the first generation iPhone because it’s so grainy and terrible. But you know that it was all shot on iPhones because you wanted to go back to that digital sort of side like. To to really tie in. The 28 days later and 28 years later, it feels the same continuation. This movie, OK. Which is strong, highly recommended Quinn. He gave it an 86. He he sorry, I would give it probably the same. I’d give it 85. It’s really good, but it is also.

Jill

Oh, nice.

Dion

Like. The last three minutes, man, just it just goes weird and I ask a question. Do you do you, do you ever or anyone in the chat? Did you ever see a movie by Neil Marshall called Doomsday?

Jill

No.

Dion

OK, again. A weird 1A post apocalyptic one where they annex Scotland.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

And because of some virus, but they don’t turn into zombies. It’s just kind of like a plague. And they just, you know, create a war hatred. They rebuild Hadrian’s Wall, basically. And then just let Scotland go for a few generations. Wow. And they become like a weird medieval Society of cannibals and.

Speaker

Dion

Sort of stuff like that and it. That’s the kind of bonkers level that I’m getting at the last three. Kind of minutes of this one where I was like, I don’t know where they’re gonna go for here.

Speaker 1

Dion

Yeah, but I’m I’m happy with it. I’ve got a question.

Jill

Yeah, Karina wants to know if it sort of retcons 28 weeks later. Does it go more from 28 days to 28 years?

Dion

Kind of 28 weeks later is kind of the the weak link in this one, but it kind of goes to explain that 28 weeks later was kind of a failed experiment where they tried to repatriate. They thought, Oh no, it’s fine. We could just do a border and slowly reclaim everything and. Do that way, but it was a failed experiment, and in this one it kind of feels like 28 years later they’re kind of like, well, we tried to do that, but in the end, we just walled off Britain and went leave it.

Jill

Right.

Dion

Which is a, you know, bold choice, but it allows for the this sort of character growth of like who is this kid on the island that lives in this community? That’s a that’s that’s honestly a broken community. But they look like they’re functioning. OK. Like they’re not attacking each other, but they’re a broken society. They’ve spent 28 years defending itself and learning hard lessons and still going against a, you know, a virus that is so deadly.

Speaker

Then.

Dion

That. That you’re not gonna come out. OK. And they don’t shy away from that.

Jill

Cool.

Dion

And then you get another character, which is the. Voldemort one. Who’s just as bonkers. Everyone is bonkers in this movie. And all I feel sorry for is the kid.

Jill

No.

Dion

Yeah. Who’s doing well? Like, I mean, I gotta say, the kid is a good through line to to pin yourself to who just wants to do good, who just wants to, to to live and to have all these things. But you know. Did you mean did you ever? Watch a movie called The Descent. Jill about The Cave exploring group of females who went and then it became a horror movie.

Jill

****. Nah.

Dion

Could be another Neil Marshall one actually, but yeah, like there’s a bit of that in there. So there’s like night camera footage of the infected. Your hunt, like hunting deer kind of thing, which is all done in, you know, kind of like, you know, kind of weird stuff and, you know, but world building is quite well thought out. Like, I feel like the world building and this was logic.

Jill

Oh.

Dion

Owned correctly.

Speaker

Dion

They did it correctly. So I gotta say yes.

Jill

All right, cool. Go and see it guys.

Dion

Looking looking forward to it, yeah.

Jill

28 years.

Dion

28 years later.

Jill

Maybe I’ll do some homework and go watch the previous ones.

Dion

I I think you’d get a lot out of it. Actually, I think you would.

Jill

Yeah. It’s just one of those ones that I never got around to.

Dion

Yeah, it’s. And I said, like, I still remember 28. Weeks later, because it was one of the, it was one of those ones that I used to watch or put on and then fall asleep and then wake up when the DVD menu would go into a loop. And I would wake up going. What the **** is going? On. And it’s this kind of thing. So yeah, I reckon it’s good. Yeah, Karina reckons you should only watch it during the day, but.

Speaker

That’s true.

Jill

Alright, I like scary ****. Go ahead.

Dion

Yeah, I would called 28 days later. Is sorry. 28 days. Not scary. Sandra Bullock. It’s fine. 20. Days later, quite scary. 28 weeks later, bit of a **** sequel really, even though it does have Jeremy Renner in it. The story the plot is a bit and then 28 years later is like Oh no, we back.

Jill

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

Like we back for the scary bit.

Jill

We’re back.

Dion

Yes.

Speaker

Dion

Yeah. There we go. That’s good. There’s all your zombie horror before July.

Jill

Nice.

Speaker

Yeah, we’re.

Jill

Back at the end of the month again.

Dion

The the winter has gone. We’ve passed the threshold.

Jill

Where? We’re still in it, still freezing.

Dion

No, we passed the threshold. The first, the, the the solstice.

Jill

OK, with pasta. Yes.

Dion

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jill

The only way is up baby.

Dion

The only way is up. It’s only gonna get warmer and next month we’ve got a whole bunch of **** that’s coming out, which is good.

Jill

Yes. And one of those new ships we’re seeing tomorrow.

Dion

We’ve got. Yes, one of those ones is going to be great. It’s miss.

Jill

Reagan. Yes, we’ll see Megan. 2.0 to run.

Dion

Miss Reagan? Apply.

Jill

Yeah, we’ll be seeing Superman as well.

Dion

We will. We’ll be seeing that. I still have, I don’t know about Jurassic World. Yeah, but dinosaurs are there. The old guard too.

Speaker

Excuse me.

Jill

I know crossing my fingers for an invitation to Jurassic.

Dion

World There’s there’s the old guard, too. That’s still that is coming out that we seem to have forgotten about. Foundation Season 3 is coming.

Speaker

Yes.

Dion

And then we’ve also got Fantastic Four.

Jill

Yes, we’ve got a lot of.

Dion

Stuff this month naked gun.

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. Oh, man. I was shopping yesterday and there was a shop using the Friggin’s voice for announcement. That’s terrifying. I went to. A toy store last like last week and found a Megan doll like a action figure.

Jill

Ohh.

Dion

Wow, Megan action figure. I would only buy it if you could program it with like a Siri in it. Stand it. Real life. Yeah, that would be good. Shout out to all the people who are going off or in Melbourne this week to see critical role, which is where Quinney is. That’s why he’s not here. And as we said earlier, Peter is also off doing very important things. I hope everyone watched Kimberly, do we want to give a quick review to Kimberly while she’s not here, so she can’t actually say anything.

Jill

Yes, watching critical role. Yes.

Speaker 1

True. True, she’s bad friend.

Dion

Not homework to Jean. But it’s also really good.

Speaker

Dion

Yeah. Yeah, that’s good. Great. Well, thanks, Karina. Yes, Kimberly, it is. It’s gorgeous. If you can watch it on the biggest thing. And yes, good luck to all the critters. They’re going out. They had a great show in Sydney. Looked amazing, Quinn went to that one. 8000 people, and then they’re doing another one in Melbourne, D&D. Who’d have thought?

Jill

I know.

Dion

Sit down for five hours at D&D. A midweek thing? Well, that’s what nodes are for.

Jill

Yeah. That’s what we’re all.

Dion

About alright, successful June, we’ve done that now. Yep. Excellent. Thank you, Jill. Thank you everyone in the chat for joining us for the last 28 years of us. Hopefully you all enjoyed the last of the season 2 and hopefully I have given you. No, I did all the talking. She was just politely listening to me going. Oh, OK, zombies OK? Go out and see if you can track down 28 weeks later. Oh, sorry days later. And then maybe 28 weeks later and then watch 28 years later, which is good. And that was right. Yes, for kanga. Quinney saw a while pretty kanga at the. Google role. That’s great. Yay thanks everyone.

Jill

Thanks for coming. See you next.

Dion

We will.

Speaker 1

Week next week. OK, bye bye.

Dion

Alright, where’s my outro?

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