In this candid conversation, guest Salma Alam-Naylor joins hosts Schalk Venter, Schalk Neethling, and Kate van Niekerk to unpack her thought-provoking article "Why Women in Tech Isn't Enough." The discussion explores why segregated tech groups, while well-intentioned, may be perpetuating the very problems they aim to solve.

Key topics covered:

* The paradox of "women in tech" spaces that exclude those with the power to create systemic change

* How forced categorization and "boxes" can further marginalize people, especially those with intersectional identities

* The exhaustion of constantly explaining and justifying one's existence in tech spaces

* Personal experiences with stress-induced health issues

* Why creating genuinely inclusive environments matters more than checkbox diversity initiatives

* The challenge of advocating for change while navigating job security in a volatile tech market

The conversation weaves between deeply personal experiences and systemic critiques, touching on everything from the burden of representation to the practical realities of funding nonprofits.

This episode offers no easy answers but instead presents an honest examination of why, despite decades of "women in tech" initiatives, the industry still struggles with true inclusion. It's essential listening for anyone questioning whether current diversity efforts are helping or simply maintaining the status quo.

Content note: Discussion includes references to discrimination, harassment, and brief mention of global conflicts.

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