What does it mean to live authentically when both things are true? In this episode of It’s Both — Navigating Life’s Gray Areas & Messy Moments, therapist and storyteller Nikki P sits down with Paula Stone Williams—pastor, author, and international keynote speaker—to explore duality in gender, faith, and belonging.

Paula shares her journey of transition and self-discovery with honest storytelling—the losses and joy, and the emotional resilience required to live in truth. Together, Nikki and Paula talk about how privilege, misogyny, and bias shape experience; why proximity and narrative build empathy; and what it looks like to hold multiple truths without abandoning yourself.

You’ll hear:

- Why “everyone is in a state of becoming”

- How misogyny and gender bias show up day-to-day

- The role of privilege and proximity in empathy

- Why Paula rejects the concept of a “dead name”

- Practices for self-compassion, emotional complexity, and courage

If you’re in the messy middle—questioning identity, deconstructing faith, or seeking authentic conversations—this episode offers language, nuance, and companionship for navigating life’s gray areas.

Resources & Links:

- Connect with Paula Stone Williams

- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts

- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation

- It's Both on Instagram & Youtube

Thank you again for listening and remember, life isn't either/or, it's both.