In this episode, host Shawn FitzGerald chats with Mike Wagner of White Rabbit Group to dive deep into the messy human side of leadership.

Mike unpacks what leadership really means—and why it’s more about practice than position. He also walks through the four foundational habits every leader needs, how to build trust through regular feedback, and why so many businesses unintentionally set their leaders up to fail. If you’ve ever wondered how to create a stronger leadership culture without adding layers of complexity, this conversation is a must-listen. Spoiler: it starts with one-on-ones and a willingness to grow.

Listen to hear Mike and Shawn explore what makes a truly effective leader, why leadership is a practice (not just a position), and how to create a culture where both leaders and emerging leaders can thrive. Get ready for practical insights on fostering ownership, giving and receiving feedback, and the four foundational habits every effective leader should master. Whether you're leading a team or aspiring to grow into a leadership role, this episode offers a fresh look at how intentional change starts with everyday actions and real relationships.