In this episode of Get Real, Cari Baldwin and Dana Harder sit down with legal tech founder, celiac disease advocate, and all-around powerhouse, Matti Neustadt.

With a background in applied physics, a CISSP certification, and a career that’s spanned semiconductor supply chains, privacy law, and AI-driven workflows, Matti brings a uniquely sharp perspective to the world of in-house legal operations. She’s the founder of V4 Final, a platform built to help in-house counsel streamline workflows, prove their value, and focus on what actually matters—without needing to code or redline their own contracts (yep, that happens more than you think).

They cover a lot of ground in this one:

• Matti’s winding path from Intel engineer to law school night student to tech startup founder
• What most people (and tech companies) get wrong about working with lawyers
• Why NDAs are underrated (but should never be hiding sneaky clauses)
• How to think about AI as a tool for accelerating junior talent—not replacing senior expertise
• What it’s like living with celiac disease as an executive constantly on the go—and how businesses and event planners can do better

Plus, rapid-fire insights on Bend’s startup scene, the best gluten-free bagels in the country, and why the world desperately needs gluten-free baklava.

This one’s part legal insight, part startup therapy, part survival guide for celiacs—so yeah, it’s already a Get Real classic.