Co-hosts Matt Chittim, Lindsey Hein, and Peter Bromka interview every 2028 Olympic Marathon Trials Qualifier along with a wide-ranging group of industry professionals in preparation for the 2028 Trials in Los Angeles.
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A running podcast dedicated to conversation, commentary, and fun. Our team has someone for everything, from pros to amateurs, track nerds to ultra athletes, shoe experts, and coaches. We love discussing all-things running with enough hilarious tangents to keep you on your toes. Like being on your favorite group run with friends. The Relay team of contributors includes Kofuzi, Stefanie Flippin, Lindsey Hein, Laura Thweatt, Tommie Runz, Peter Bromka, Marcus Brown, and Matt Chittim.
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Join hosts Matt Chittim and Jason Macaluso as they bring you up to speed on the leading stories at the intersection of business and endurance sports. Matt and Jason deliver breaking news, as well as deep dives and guest interviews on the topics that are impacting the endurance sports world. So pour yourself a cup of coffee and plug into the BSD.
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#704 - Charlie Watson: Detailing Sydney, the Newest Marathon Major, and Running 20 Minutes Faster Than Expected
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46:49Charlie Watson shares her exhilarating experience at the Sydney Marathon, highlighting her unique racing strategy that led to a surprisingly fast finish. She discusses the importance of mindset, strength training, and nutrition in her preparation, and how letting go of expectations allowed her to enjoy the race and perform beyond her goals. Charlie…
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World Champs So Far: Marathon Madness, 1500 Tactics, 100m Takes
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1:10:22On this week's group chat, Matt Chittim, Peter Bromka, and Lindsey Hein break down all that has happened at the Tokyo World Championships so far!
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One Second to Spare: Mike Duggan on CIM, Trials, and Chicago
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38:50Host Matt Chittim and co-host Peter Bromka sit down with marathoner Mike Duggan to relive his one-second OTQ at CIM on the final day of the window and the chaos of gun time versus net time. Duggan shares lessons from a rough Berlin attempt and jet lag, the power of Jeff Cunningham’s Austin training group and why Chicago is next. He talks pack dynam…
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#703 - Racing Mindset Masterclass with Molly Huddle
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26:40In this motivating conversation, Molly Huddle shares how she cultivated a racing mindset that helped her become one of the fiercest racers, and best runners, of her generation. Sponsors ASICS - Check-out the new METASPEED Edge and Sky Tokyo along with the newly released Megablast and Sonicblast at www.asics.com…
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Jeff Cunningham: The Long-Term Approach to Building Trials Qualifiers
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57:16Co-hosts Peter Bromka and Matt Chittim sit down with elite coach Jeff Cunningham to unpack the multi-year, step-by-step process of developing athletes for the U.S. Olympic Trials. The conversation explores how to structure seasons for steady progression, what differentiates first-time Trials qualifiers from veterans, and how clear communication and…
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From Tokyo to Boston: Buffers, Brooks, and the Road to 2028
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39:49Today on group chat, we have Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka. Episode Rundown: Erika Kemp in Tokyo — Lindsey and Peter hyping up Erika’s marathon and her confidence, calling her a “crusher” and “pleasant surprise” on the show. Brooks’ identity shift — the back-and-forth about Brooks trying to go from “run happy” to “we’re serious now,” with the high …
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Dakotah Popehn: “Why Not Me?” From D2 Walk-On to Olympian
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44:48On this episode of Road to the Trials, Olympian Dakotah Popehn shares her journey from Division II walk-on to placing third at the 2024 Olympic Trials and finishing 12th in Paris. She talks about the belief and consistency that carried her rise, the heat prep that made Orlando feel almost routine, and the big goals she’s chasing next—including a PR…
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#702 - Hillary Allen: Returning From One of the Worst Running Injuries Ever to Qualify for the World Championships
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51:57In this episode, I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with one of my running heroes, Hillary Allen. Her story is one of resilience, determination, and the power of the human spirit. From a life-threatening fall to becoming a world-class athlete again and qualifying for the World Championships, Hillary's journey is nothing short of inspiring…
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Non-Track Talk: UTMB Chaos, Sydney Marathon Vibes, and Merch Madness
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47:32This week on group chat, we have Kofuzi, Peter Bromka, Tommie Runz, and a little bit of Lindsey Hein! Episode Rundown: UTMB week through a newcomer’s eyes Sydney Marathon as the new Major Pre-race rituals Kipchoge now and next Content + culture
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Road to the Trials welcomes Olympian Jared Ward, fresh off a year in the UK completing an MBA, for a focused conversation on sustainable high-performance training and mindset. Jared explains how he’s reframed workouts as stimulus for long-term adaptation, what he learned from the 2016 Trials and sixth place in Rio, and why he’s still chasing meanin…
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Theresa Hailey: Two-Time Trials Qualifier Aims for a Third
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40:43Join us as we dive into the inspiring journey of Theresa Hailey, a dedicated marathoner who has qualified for the Olympic Trials twice. In this episode, Theresa shares her experiences overcoming injuries, her mental strategies for racing, and her goals for the future. Discover how she balances her passion for running with her new role as a foster p…
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#701 - Season Four of Road to the Trials: Three Hosts, Every Single Qualifier, One Big Goal
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30:10Welcome to Season Four of Road to the Trials! This will be the most epic season yet as we look to interview every qualifier to the 2028 Olympic Marathon Trials in Los Angeles as well as plenty of industry professionals along the way. Our expanded goal is matched by our expanding team! We now have three co-hosts - Matt Chittim, Lindsey Hein, and Pet…
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Welcome to Season Four - Three Hosts, Every Single Qualifier, One Big Goal
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29:09Welcome to Season Four of Road to the Trials! This will be the most epic season yet as we look to interview every qualifier to the 2028 Olympic Marathon Trials in Los Angeles as well as plenty of industry professionals along the way. Our expanded goal is matched by our expanding team! We now have three co-hosts - Matt Chittim, Lindsey Hein, and Pet…
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#700 - Coach's Corner with Ruth Atkinson: Planning and Executing Long Runs for 4:30+ Marathoners
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36:26In this Coach's Corner episode, Ruth Atkinson from McKirdy Trained talks about how she plans long runs for runners who run the marathon in 4:30 or slower. This is a question we get all the time via DM's and email and we were excited to talk it out. Often times runners in this group assume that they need to run a 20 miler during marathon training to…
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Cooper Lutkenhaus Turns Pro at 16, Fall Marathon Fields, and UTMB Week
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52:09Today on group chat, we have Erika Kemp, Lindsey Hein, and Matt Chittim. Topics we covered: Cooper Lutkenhaus goes pro at 16 and signs with Nike NIL deals, college eligibility, and the value of NCAA programs vs. professional contracts Risks and benefits of skipping the collegiate system (facilities, coaching, social/educational experience) Fall mar…
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#699 - Racing Mindset Masterclass with Laura Thweatt
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48:49In this engaging conversation, Laura Thweatt shares how she was able to develop a mindset for race day that helped propel her to the top of the sport. She discusses the evolution of her mindset throughout her athletic career, particularly focusing on the mental preparation required for her experiences at the Olympic Trials, the challenges faced dur…
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Condiments, Faith Kipyegon, Allie Ostrander, and Tommie is Put on Probabtion
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1:09:19In this lively conversation, Lindsey Hein, Erika Kemp, Tommie Runz, and Peter Bromka discuss various topics ranging from recent running events to internet culture and memes. They share hot takes on food preferences, analyze Faith Kipyegon's performance from the Diamond League, the importance of points in track and field, and the dynamics of communi…
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#698 - Karen Howe: Parenting/Guiding Teenagers Who Share Your Passion for Running
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40:06In this episode, I sit down with Karen Howe to explore the intricate balance of parenting and nurturing a passion for running. As a mother of two teenagers, Karen shares her journey from a non-runner to a marathon enthusiast and how/if her love for the sport has influenced her children, and how she tries to nurture that passion in them in a sustain…
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#697 - Maurice Lowman: Reflections on the End of a 3,844 Day Run Streak
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38:47Join us as we welcome back Maurice Lowman, also known as the Marathon Panda, to discuss the emotional and transformative journey of ending his 3,488-day run streak. Maurice shares insights on how running intertwined with his sobriety journey, the challenges of letting go, and the new chapter he's embracing with gratitude and growth. Key Highlights:…
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The Backstory of Sir Walter Miler: Community, Growth, and Athlete Engagement
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58:42In this conversation, Lindsey, Tommie, Matt, and Peter are joined by Sandy Roberts and Pat Price, founders of the Sir Walter Miler. They dive deep into the history and evolution of the Sir Walter Miler event. Topics discussed: Introduction to the Sir Walter Miler event The community engagement aspect Evolution of the event over the years The role o…
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#696 - John Raneri: Transitioning from 2:12 Marathoner to the Trails
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51:30In today's episode we are joined by elite marathoner John Raneri to discuss his transition from road racing to trail running. In this episode, John shares his experiences, challenges, and triumphs as he navigates the world of trail and ultra running. From his initial interest in trail running to his recent races, John provides insights into his tra…
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Protect the Rail: US Champs Breakdown
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1:22:50This week on group chat, we have Kofuzi, Lindsey Hein, Stef Flippin, and Peter Bromka talking all things USAs!
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#695 - Miki Sawada: From Professional Concert Halls to Conquering the Western States 100
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1:01:56Join us as we dive into the inspiring journey of Miki Sawada, a professional classical pianist and dedicated amateur ultra-runner. Discover how Miki balances her passion for music with her love for running, and how she uses both to connect with communities across the country. From her unique Gather Hear Tour to conquering the Western States 100, Mi…
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USAs Preview: Heat, High Stakes, and Who’s Ready to Break Through
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1:00:21This week on group chat, we have Erika Kemp, Peter Bromka, and Matt Chittim talking all things USAs!
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When Running News Breaks the Internet: Doping, Coldplay Scandals, and Who’s Actually the Best Athlete?
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1:12:23Today on group chat, we have Tommie Runz, Erika Kemp, Lindsey Hein, Peter Bromka, and Matt Chittim. Top Topics Covered: 1. Doping Scandals Rock Running: Deep dive into Ruth Chepngetich’s doping news, reactions from within the running world, and how it impacts both elite athletes and fans. 2. What Mainstream Audiences Actually Hear About Running: Wh…
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#694 - Justin Fiske: Co-American Masters Record in the Road Mile and a 2:28 Marathon After a 15-Year Hiatus
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41:37Join us as we dive into the inspiring story of Justin Fiske, the newly crowned co-American record holder in the masters road mile. After a 15-year hiatus from running, Justin shares how he reignited his passion during the pandemic, leading to a sub-2:30 and other electric performances . Discover his journey from casual 5Ks to tying the American rec…
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Summer Races, Swimming Struggles, and Podcasting Lessons: A Relay Catch-Up
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44:02Today on group chat, we have Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka. Episode Rundown: Track and Field Summer Highlights: From Bailey Hertenstein's world standard in the 5K to Diamond League drama and Noah Lyles vs. Letsile Tebogo. Hardrock 100 and Trail Running Talk: Why 50-year-old Ludo dominated, Katie Schide's calm dominance, and the challenge of long ul…
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#693 - Brandon Dugi: Diné Running Culture and Finishing Western States in Under 24 Hours
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54:33Join us as we dive into the inspiring journey of Brandon Dugi - a dedicated trail runner and high school coach who recently completed the Western States 100 in under 24 hours! Brandon discusses his experiences at Western States, his deep connection with his Diné community and culture, growing up with the tradition of morning runs and prayer on the …
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#692 - Andrew Mayo: The Magic of a Golden Hour Finish at Western States
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51:49Join host Matt Chittim as he sits down with Andrew Mayo, a Sacramento resident and trail running enthusiast, to discuss his incredible journey to completing the Western States 100. Andrew shares his experiences, challenges, and the significance of finishing within the coveted "Golden Hour" and why that presented a magical full-circle moment. Follow…
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#691 - Matt Daniels: My Favorite Workouts
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29:35Professional trail and ultra runner, and highly respected trail and road running coach, Matt Daniels is on the show to share his two favorite workouts. Matt details an interval workout that can be done on all types of road and trail (and he suggests doing it on route that aligns with your next race) and a Vo2 max workout that will mimic race day. Y…
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Today on group chat, we have Peter Bromka and Erika Kemp. Episode Rundown: 50th anniversary atmosphere and in-person experience at Pre Classic Standout performances across events, including Gudaf Tsegay’s and Faith Kipyegon’s world records Sage Hurta-Klecker’s standout pacing job and pacing strategy overall Long jump drama and showmanship from Tara…
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#690 - Jack Kuenzle: Coaching a Champion - The Training of Caleb Olson, Western States 100 Winner
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56:03In this conversation, Matt Chittim interviews Jack Kuenzle, focusing on his work with athlete Caleb Olson, who recently won the Western States 100. They discuss Caleb's journey to becoming a champion, the training strategies employed, and the importance of mental strength in racing. Jack shares insights into his coaching process, the significance o…
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#689 - Hannah Allgood: 7th at Western States 100
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54:18In this conversation, Hannah Allgood shares her journey as a trail runner, reflecting on her recent 7th place performance at the Western States 100 and her competitive spirit. She discusses her athletic background, the decision to pursue running over other sports, and how her competitive nature has evolved. Hannah emphasizes the joy of trail runnin…
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Just Take Off: Cemeteries, Sufferfests, and Sub-4 Dreams
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1:07:38Today on group chat, we have Erika Kemp, Peter Bromka, Tommie Runz, Kofuzi, and Marcus Brown. Episode Rundown: Running in the Heat and the “Park” Workout Debacle The Ethics of Running in Cemeteries Peachtree Road Race Preview Faith Kipyegon and Breaking 4 Event Legitimacy vs. Storytelling How Track Can Be More Fun (Without Losing Respect) Should Ki…
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Western States 100 is always one of the highlights of the running calendar and the 2025 edition was no different! There was more pre-race hype than we've ever had before and the race absolutely delivered. In this episode, Stefanie Flippin, Peter Bromka, and Matt Chittim break the men's and women's races, talk about lasting impressions from the race…
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#688 - Breaking4 Breakdown and Transitioning from Pro Running with Maddie Alm
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53:56Breaking4 is in the book as we are joined by former professional runner for Team Boss, and NCAA All-American for University of Colorado, Maddie Alm to break it down. In the second half of the show we dive into Maddie transition to full-time registered dietitian, how she build her business while she was running professionally, and how she is handlin…
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Western States 100 Men's & Women's Preview
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55:27Petear Bromka and Matt Chittim preview the Western States Endurance Run in a year that is so full of storylines that they didn't come close to mentioning them all in an hour long episode! With that said, they cover the Return of the King (Killian), the hunt for course records (and the attrition that could result), and a look at the potential Top 10…
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Running in the Heat, Racing in Style, and Mantras That Make Us Laugh
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1:05:02Today on group chat, we have Erika Kemp, Peter Bromka, Lindsey Hein, and Kofuzi. Topics Covered: How elite runners train and race in extreme heat Behind the scenes at Brooks HQ Kofuzi accidentally holding Des Linden’s prototype race shoe What running gear says about your race-day confidence Thoughts on breaking the women’s mile world record (Breaki…
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Introducing Erika Kemp: 2:22 Marathoner, World Champs Team Member & New Relay Co-Host
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1:00:13In this episode of Relay, host Lindsey Hein introduces the newest member of the Relay team: Erika Kemp. Erika is an accomplished professional distance runner for Brooks, a 2:22 marathoner, and a two-time U.S. champion. She made headlines in her debut marathon at Boston in 2023, running the fastest time ever recorded by an American-born Black woman.…
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#687 - My Thoughts on Grand Slam Track Canceling Their Finale
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11:15I am a huge fan of Grand Slam Track. With that in mind, I was crestfallen to hear that they canceled their finale in Los Angeles. In this episode, I share my unvarnished thoughts on what happened, how it was handled, and what this could mean for GST moving forward. Sponsors ASICS - Checkout the amazingly versatile Superblast 2 and Novablast 5 that …
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Big News From the Boston Marathon and Grand Slam Track: Our Thoughts
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1:05:15Today on group chat, we have Peter Bromka and Matt Chittim. Episode Rundown: All of the subscriptions that you need to be a track fan The recent news on Grand Slam track Boston Marathon’s consideration of downhill courses Changes to the Boston Marathon registering process Oslo Diamond League Nico Young’s breakout 5k win The Women’s 400m race in Osl…
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#686 - Ernest Holly: Losing 100lbs and Regaining His Life
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46:18In this conversation, Ernest Holly shares his transformative journey from being a 260-pound man to a dedicated runner who has lost over 100 pounds and changed his life in the process. He discusses the impact of the pandemic on his decision to start running, the importance of community and support, and how he set and achieved his athletic goals. Ern…
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#685 - Dr. Jess Mena: Why She Went from BQ Road Runner to Full-Time Trail
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42:35Dr. Jess Mena, DPT is back on the podcast. She has brought her trademark wit, laughter, and excitement to talk about transitioning from only running on roads, and qualifying for Boston in the process, to embracing the trail full-time (and everything that goes along with that change.) You can follow Jess at www.instagram.com/tempo_with_jess. Sponsor…
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The Zooming Demons, We Out Here Trail Fest, and the Impact of NCAA Athlete Pay on Track and Field
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51:44This week on group chat, we have Erika Kemp, Lindsey Hein, Stef Flippin, and Peter Bromka. Episode Rundown: Some love for Ali Feller Erika’s mini 10k race and World Championship team selection We Out Here Trail Fest The Zooming Demons NCAA athletes now being paid and what that may mean for track and field Catching up on the Diamond League performan…
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#684 - Breaking 4: A Pro Experience for Amateur Marathoners
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32:09In this episode, Matt Chittim welcomes back James McKirdy to discuss the upcoming Breaking 4 marathon. They delve into the significance of the race, which aims to celebrate athletes who break the four-hour barrier, and the personalized support and pacing strategies that will be provided. The conversation also covers the course details, inclusivity …
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Erika Kemp Joins Relay, NYC Mini 10K Preview, and of Course – Grand Slam Track Recap!
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57:50Episode Rundown: Erika Kemp joins Relay! Grand Slam Track catch up Erika’s career plans - any chance she gets back on the track? NYC Mini 10K Olympic Trials Standards Media recommendations: American Fly Girl HBO Mountainhead Forever on Netflix Four Weddings on HBO
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Western States, Cocodona 250, and Golden Trail with Brett Hornig
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1:05:10Trail and ultra running coach, runner, and commentator Brett Hornig joins the Relay crew of Stefanie Flippin, Peter Bromka, and Matt Chittim to hit some important trail topics headed into the summer. Specifically, we dive into: 1. Opposite yet equally exciting men’s and women’s storylines for the Wester States Endurance Run and our picks for who we…
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#683 - Bethany Davis: The Journey of a Hybrid Athlete
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42:21In this engaging conversation, Matt Chittim reconnects with Bethany Davis, an athlete with a diverse background in endurance running and strength training. They discuss the rise of hybrid athletes, the importance of strength training for injury prevention, and the joy of finding fun in fitness. Bethany shares her experiences with social fitness, go…
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Summer of Speed! - The Cunningham Coaching Corner
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49:10Coach Cunningham is back! After celebrating the marathon last fall and then again, Peter and Jeff are back to try and convince you to "play with running" and test yourself at the mile, 5k, 10k, or any other distance that feels like speed to marathon legs. Check out more of Coach Cunningham's content here. And please let us know what other questions…
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#682 - Carrie Tollefson: The Impact of Grand Slam Track
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51:44In this episode, Matt Chittim interviews Carrie Tollefson, a generational talent on the track and professional broadcaster, about the newly established Grand Slam Track. They discuss the significance of this league for athletes, the comparison with the Diamond League, and the evolving landscape of professional running. Carrie shares her insights on…
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