Welcome to The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast — a show for accounting firm leaders who want to make smarter, data-driven decisions and stay ahead of industry change. Each episode explores what IPA’s trusted benchmarking data reveals about firm performance, leadership and the future of the profession. From private equity and offshoring to partner compensation and the talent pipeline, we dive into the trends, challenges and innovations shaping public accounting today. Hosted by: Chelsea Summ ...
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Compensation Benchmarking Podcasts
Helping small and medium size businesses solve their HR issues and develop people strategies to drive success.
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This weekly (Fridays) series of messages is based on Multi-View Incorporated’s work with over 1,300 organizations, extracting 989 data-elements with 922 cross-calculations over 27 years on a monthly basis. And then “systematizing” the operational “Best-Known Success Patterns” of the 90th percentile. Our intent is to get beyond the “brag and the boast,” and simply share insights from our experience, without manipulation or coercion to sell anything except helpful ideas. MVI has helped create ...
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Conversations about employment and labor law issues that impact the workplace. The purpose of Littler's podcasts is to provide helpful information for employers, addressing the latest developments in labor and employment relations. They are not a substitute for experienced legal counsel and do not provide legal advice or attempt to address the numerous factual issues that arise in any employment-related issue.
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211 - Littler Lounge: Commission Possible – Decoding Incentive Compensation for Management
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22:53Ready for a seasonal tradition that’s more thrilling than pumpkin spice?! It’s incentive compensation plan season! Join Nicole LeFave and Claire Deason as they roll up their sleeves and wade into the wild world of bonuses and commissions. If you’ve ever wondered why lawyers get so worked up about “discretionary” versus “non-discretionary” or if you…
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Earn free CPE with Earmark! Take your learning on the go and earn NASBA-approved CPE just for listening to The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast. Simply listen, take a short quiz, and download your certificate. Start now on the IPA channel in the Earmark app: The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast | Earmark CPE Each year, INSIDE Public Accounting name…
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Ep. 18: Compensation – The ONLY Way to World-Class (4 of 4)
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49:36In this fourth installment on compensation from the mountaintop, Andrew talks about how CEOs must cross the fear barrier, brand the Model, and sell the why, because most of the battle is emotional. He lays out rebasing salary/hourly rates to make room for Standards Pay, Happiness Pay, and Individual Upside, insisting on frequent and immediate payou…
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A Data-Driven Look at Firm People Strategy
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210 - Littler Lounge: OOTO – Government Edition (What a Shutdown Means for the Workplace)
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19:19What happens when Washington hangs up the “Be Right Back” sign? In this episode, Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave welcome Jim Paretti, co-chair of Littler’s Workplace Policy Institute, to break down how a federal government shutdown has ripple effects on the workplace. From potential visa limbo and agency slowdowns to contractor curveballs and compl…
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From Compliance to Advisory: Why Firms Need Critical Skills to Compete
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Ep. 17: Compensation – The ONLY Way to World-Class (3 of 4)
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47:57In this 3rd installment of this Compensation series, Andrew shows how a well-designed COMPENSATION SYSTEM creates CONFIDENCE, CUSTOMER DELIGHT, and a HEALTHY CULTURE that Self-Regulates with little need for supervision. Pay becomes a powerful Teacher: A System Solution, where the “System” selects for owners (not renters), “smokes out” unconfident p…
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209 - Littler Lounge: Data Doesn’t Lie – Following the Digital Footprints in Workplace Lawsuits
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17:45Think your digital trail is just background noise? Think again. In this episode, discover how data – from social media to id badge swipes – can alter the trajectory of a workplace lawsuit. Hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave team up with eDiscovery attorney Don Myers to unpack the tech, tactics and real-world stories behind modern litigation. Fro…
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From CAS to True Advisory with Mike Hajek
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34:54Earn free CPE with Earmark! Take your learning on the go and earn NASBA-approved CPE just for listening to The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast. Simply listen, take a short quiz and download your certificate. Start now on the IPA channel in the Earmark app: The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast | Earmark CPE Advisory isn’t a side service anymore, it…
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Earn free CPE with Earmark! Take your learning on the go and earn NASBA-approved CPE just for listening to The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast. Simply listen, take a short quiz and download your certificate. Start now on the IPA channel in the Earmark app: The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast | Earmark CPE In this episode, Rob Brown and IPA’s Chel…
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Ep. 16: Compensation – The ONLY Way to World-Class (2 of 4)
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38:13Andrew continues in the DEEP philosophical explanation so often needed for Leaders and Executives to have the courage to implement creative and revolutionary Compensation Systems. Reed drives directly into a discussion of Outliers - Companies that operate with World-Class Quality and Profits - those operating in the 90th percentile statistically ov…
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208 - Littler Lounge: From Sports Brackets to Benchmarks – Navigating the Legal Side of Workplace Contests and Incentives
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21:46What do fantasy football, March Madness brackets, and workplace raffles have in common? They might all be gambling – and they might be happening on your company’s time and devices. Steve Silver, Littler shareholder and chair of the Maine Gambling Control Board, joins hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave to explore how gaming law is showing up in t…
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Behind the Numbers: Partner Pay, Tech & Succession
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20:18Earn free CPE with Earmark! Take your learning on the go and earn NASBA-approved CPE just for listening to The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast. Simply listen, take a short quiz and download your certificate. Start now on the IPA channel in the Earmark app: The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast | Earmark CPE In this episode of the INSIDE Public Acco…
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Jeffrey Weiner: Building Marcum’s Brand & Legacy
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39:07Earn free CPE with Earmark! Take your learning on the go and earn NASBA-approved CPE just for listening to The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast. Simply listen, take a short quiz, and download your certificate. Start now on the IPA channel in the Earmark app: https://earmark.app/c/2777 How do you grow a six-person, $300,000 accounting firm into one …
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Ep. 15: Compensation - The ONLY Way to World-Class (1 of 4)
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45:45In this episode, Andrew speaks plainly and directly to you from the Awakened Forest without any of the spectacle of a large public audience. He goes DEEP into the philosophical explanations of why Compensation IS your main System/Structure in creating a World-Class company. We live in a world of “Incentives and Disincentives”... and BOTH the Positi…
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207 - Littler Lounge: Redefining “Reasonable” – Religion and the Workplace
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22:12Hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave are joined by Littler attorney Devjani Mishra for a conversation that starts with pandemic-era policy puzzles and ends somewhere near the Supreme Court. From temperature checks in parking lots to a tidal wave of exemption requests, they trace how COVID and the Groff v. DeJoy decision have reshaped the legal fra…
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The conversation around outsourcing and offshoring in public accounting has shifted. What was once viewed with hesitation is now firmly part of the playbook for firms across the country. In this episode of the INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast, hosts Rob Brown and Chelsea Summers dive into the numbers behind the trend. Drawing on IPA’s exclusive sur…
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Lexy Kessler on Talent, Technology, and the Future of Accounting
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31:35Chelsea Summers and Rob Brown welcome Lexy Kessler, Chair of the American Institute of CPAs and partner at Aprio, to explore the 2040 Project — a strategic initiative mapping the profession’s future. From tackling pipeline challenges to integrating AI, Lexy shares why upskilling, adaptability and people skills are now strategic imperatives for firm…
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Ep. 14: Compensation - National Broadcast Excerpt (2 of 2)
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57:17This is the 2nd installment from this national broadcast on the topic of Compensation. Andrew shares REALITY from his work with 38 non-healthcare companies he helped create Compensation systems for, and applies the Success Patterns to Hospice and Homecare operations. A person of Intelligence should be able to transpose the principles from this broa…
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206 - Littler Lounge: Pull Up a Chair! Let’s Talk Leave and Accommodations
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23:47Hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave welcome Littler attorney Alexis Knapp for a deep dive into the world of leave and accommodations. From the surge in mental health-related requests to the role of return-to-work policies in leave requests, Alexis shares what it’s like to be in the thick of it – fielding everything from open-ended FMLA certificat…
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Legacy vs. Lift-Off: Can New CPA Firms Still Break Through?
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12:24In this episode of the Inside Public Accounting Podcast, Rob Brown and Chelsea Summers explore a timely question: Are new CPA firms still breaking through? While the average Top 100 firm is nearly 69 years old, some new firms are managing to carve out space in a landscape dominated by legacy players. Chelsea shares findings from IPA's latest resear…
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Analyzing the Top 500: IPA’s Insights on Strategy, Specialization and Scale
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17:20In this episode of INSIDE Public Accounting, Rob and Chelsea analyze the full landscape of the 2025 IPA 500 rankings—not just the top-tier firms, but the hundreds of firms driving real innovation beneath the headlines. Topics in this episode: Performance trends in the top 100, including private equity influence, revenue growth and productivity metr…
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Ep. 13: Compensation - National Broadcast Excerpt (1 of 2)
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1:09:23"We live in a world of Incentives and Disincentives." And if we are intelligent, we can solve most of our organizations problems and frustrations by aligning our compensation systems with the results we want to achieve. In MVI's measurements, NO ORGANIZATION HAS EVER ACHIEVED AND MAINTAINED WORLD-CLASS QUALITY AND ECONOMICS WITHOUT ADDRESSING THEIR…
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The 2025 IPA 500: Power Plays, Fast Risers & Big Exits
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15:41The 2025 IPA 500 list is here. In this fast-paced episode of the INSIDE Public Accounting podcast, Rob Brown and Chelsea Summers go full horse race. No big-picture trends this time — it's all about who’s new, who’s rising fast, and who’s out. Highlights include: The debutants: Firms like Sorren (#61) and H&Co (#66) enter with bold moves or private …
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205 - Littler Lounge: Thinking About Getting PAID 2.0? Here’s What Employers Need to Know
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14:42Just when we thought we had our summer schedules set, the Department of Labor decided to shake things up. In this special episode, hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave call in Littler attorney Lee Schreter for a quick huddle on the return of the Payroll Audit Independent Determination (PAID) Program. What is PAID 2.0? Why now? And should employers…
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204 - Littler Lounge: Behind the Screen – Fraud, Fatigue and Other Considerations of Remote Work
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26:50Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave dive headfirst into one of the wildest twists in remote work yet: North Korean laptop farms. Yes, you read that right. What starts as a conversation about post-pandemic remote work compliance quickly turns into a real-life cyber-thriller involving allegations of fake employees, IT gigs and millions of dollars funnele…
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The IPA 500 is just days away—and in this episode, we take you inside the rankings that define the accounting profession. Chelsea Summers and Rob Brown break down how firms qualify for the list, the strategies behind the biggest climbers, and key trends firm leaders need to know now. You’ll hear: What it really takes to make the list The rising rev…
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Ep. 12: Designing an Effective People System: 3) Developing Talent – 4) Retaining Talent (2 of 2)
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1:09:29This episode completes the 2nd process, People Selection, and continues a dive into the remaining 2 processes of a World-Class People System, 3) People Development and 4) People Retention. A company’s Quality is “no more or less” than the Quality of its People Systems. The processes in these systems dictate exactly the Quality of the organization’s…
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In this episode of The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast, Rob Brown and Chelsea Summers take a first look at early findings from the 2025 IPA Practice Management Survey. The data tells a story of change—but also one of adaptation, strategy and opportunity. From evolving growth rates to expanded outsourcing strategies and shifts in licensure, firms a…
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203 - Littler Lounge: From Tip Jars to Service Charges – And Now, No Tax on Tips?!
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25:03In this episode of Littler Lounge, hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave are joined by Littler attorneys Dan Boatright and David Jordan to dive into the wild world of tipping. From airport kiosks and frozen yogurt shops to hibachi grills and PTA apps (yes, really), tipping has gone rogue – and as it shows up in more unexpected places, the legal que…
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Private Equity in Public Accounting: Disruption or Opportunity?
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15:33In Episode 2 of The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast, hosts Rob Brown and Chelsea Summers unpack the results of a pulse survey of 163 accounting firms on one of the profession’s most controversial trends: private equity. Chelsea shares insights from IPA’s latest research, including how firm leaders are navigating growth, autonomy, and culture in a …
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Ep. 11: Designing an Effective People System: 1) Talent Attraction – 2) Talent Selection (1 of 2)
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1:11:39Every company says, “People are our greatest asset”…BUT…most have very little insight how to actually find, select, and develop employees, let alone, retain them! Otherwise, the turnover of employees would be a nonissue as it RARELY would happen and quality would be measured in terms of “thousands of interactions” without a single screw up or compl…
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Welcome to The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast
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11:18In this inaugural episode of The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast, hosts Chelsea Summers and Rob Brown introduce a new weekly show designed for firm leaders who want to stay ahead of the curve. Hear how this podcast will bring the profession’s most trusted data to life—translating charts and trends into actionable insights. Chelsea shares how IPA’s…
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202 - Littler Lounge: The Labor Law Pendulum – Navigating Change in 2025
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25:51Hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave sit down with labor attorneys Brendan Fitzgerald and Arrissa Meyer to explore the evolving labor landscape in 2025. From the surprising breadth of protected concerted activity to the leadership shakeups at the National Labor Relations Board, the conversation covers the legal and cultural forces shaping today’s …
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Ep. 10: People Development: The Foundation of Your Success!
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47:18In this “DYNAMIC” episode, Andrew Reed, speaking to hundreds of CEOs and Senior Executives in a national broadcast, makes a compelling case: Your Company’s Quality is No More or Less than the Quality of your People Development System! Hard-earned lessons, through blood experience and insights, are shared as Andrew INTRODUCES the utterly important o…
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201 - Immigration Sweeps and Employer Strategy: Prioritizing Workplace Safety Amid Enforcement
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15:03Jorge Lopez and Bruce Buchanan unpack the evolving landscape of immigration enforcement, focusing on the rise of workplace “sweeps” by ICE (i.e., U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)). They break down the differences between administrative warrants, judicial search warrants, and "knock and talk" tactic…
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COMING SOON: The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast
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1:51Welcome to a new voice in the accounting profession. The INSIDE Public Accounting Podcast launches soon—bringing you weekly insights, data-driven trends, and leadership strategies from the team behind the IPA 500 and the industry’s most respected reports. In each episode, hosts Chelsea Summers and Rob Brown will go beyond the numbers to unpack the …
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200 - Littler Lounge: Don’t Let That Whistle Blow Up Your Business
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20:26The whistle’s blowing – and it’s louder (and more lucrative) than ever. In this episode, hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave are joined by Littler attorney Greg Keating for a high-energy and detailed conversation about the rising tide of whistleblower claims and what it means for employers trying to stay ahead of the curve.From eye-popping bounty…
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Ep. 9: People Development: The 3 Questions
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42:03Recorded in the Japan House overlooking the middle pond in the Awakened Forest with a group of CEOs and Chief Educational Officers, Andrew Reed merely “scratches” the surface of MVI’s meticulous work on Extraordinary People Development Systems, explaining “The 3 Questions” used to start meetings to help create a mature, healthy and life-changing cu…
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199 - Littler Lounge: AI on the Job – The Newest Member of Your Workforce
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23:02In this episode of Littler Lounge, hosts Claire Deason and Nicole LeFave sit down with Littler attorneys Niloy Ray and Alice Wang to unpack the buzz – and the reality – around artificial intelligence in the workplace. From the algorithms behind popular playlists to the cutting-edge tools reshaping hiring and employee monitoring, the conversation ex…
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Ep. 8: The Seldom Spoken Aspects of Leadership (4 of 4)
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50:14In this fourth and final installment, Andrew Reed talks about Standardization, how to run Meetings, and also covers a lot of way to view Leadership to make it better(or easier!). This isn’t a motivational pep talk. It’s the final reality check in a series that dismantles surface-level Leadership theory. Reed pulls no punches as he describes the emo…
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198 - Littler Lounge: Raids, Records, and Red Flags – Inside Immigration Enforcement
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20:04In this episode of Littler Lounge, Claire and Nicole sit down with Littler attorney Shin-I Lowe for a grounded, yet eye-opening conversation about the realities of immigration enforcement in the workplace. From I-9 audits to the high-pressure uncertainty of ICE raids, the discussion explores how employers can distinguish between different types of …
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Ep. 7: The Seldom Spoken Aspects of Leadership (3 of 4)
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40:37“Leadership isn’t about control — it’s about creating the 'Conditions for Success'.” In this third installment, Andrew Reed goes into the Burden of Leadership, the aspects of Leadership that are unconsidered with pedestrian views of the topic. Reed strips away the polish and dives into REALITY. It’s not about charisma or command — it’s about clarit…
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197 - Littler Lounge: What’s Keeping Employers Up at Night in 2025
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17:11Welcome to Littler Lounge, the podcast where employment law meets happy hour energy. Pull up a chair, pour yourself something fizzy, and join us as we unwind with the sharpest minds in labor and employment law. This isn’t your typical legal briefing – we’re trading the boardroom for the breakroom to talk shop, share stories, and unpack the issues s…
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Ep. 6: The Seldom Spoken Aspects of Leadership (2 of 4)
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41:22In Part 2 of this powerful series on leadership, Andrew Reed turns the spotlight on the Seldom Spoken Aspects of Leadership — the stuff you won't find in standard training manuals. From the illusion of control to the pursuit of self-mastery, this episode dives deep into the emotional, psychological, and spiritual strength required to truly lead. Dr…
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Ep. 5: The Seldom Spoken Aspects of Leadership (1 of 4)
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45:13Adapted from MVI’s Empowerment Hour: The COMPLETE Seldom Spoken Aspects of Leadership In the first installment of this four-part series, Andrew Reed strips leadership down to its raw, unsanitized truth. Recorded live during Multi-View Inc.’s Empowerment Hour, this episode focuses on the often-unspoken REALITIES of Leadership — the kind of insight y…
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Ep. 4: The Value of a Vision to Create FOCUS
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39:16VISION!!! Often seen as “squishy” - a waste of time, especially if you’ve sat through “Vision Statement Creating” meetings. However, Vision is, in fact, one of the most VALUABLE things a person, as well as an organization, can make! Why? A great Vision can change your LIFE! Literally! It seems that Human beings need a “Bright Horizon” to look forwa…
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Ep. 3: Operating as a Coherent, Integrated System of Mutual Reliance
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46:37Operating an organization as an “integrated, coherent whole” is something most CEOs aspire to have… But it is RARELY accomplished. Not achieving this level of integration causes disfunction, waste and creates a miserable work atmosphere of frustration. It is disheartening… and, like a Natural system, like a human body, it is not healthy. What does …
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Ep. 2: Outliers & Best-Known Success Patterns
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27:05What separates the 90th percentile from the rest? In this episode, Andrew Reed explores what it truly means to be an Outlier — not by personality, pedigree, or raw talent, but by the consistent application of what MVI calls the “Best-Known Success Patterns.” These are not theories or trends, but proven behaviors and structures observed in elite ind…
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Ep. 1: Designing the Perfect Company (Foundational Message)
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36:15In the premiere episode, Andrew Reed — founder of Multi-View Incorporated — offers a foundational blueprint for designing an organization that balances profit and purpose. From the tranquil mountaintop retreat known as the Awakened Forest, Reed draws on over 27 years of system-based research across 1,300 companies to illuminate the “best known succ…
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