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Ep 143: From Starbucks Barista to Thriller Novelist with Julie Doar

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A single question on a cold Hudson Valley walk: What if there’s a body in that hunter’s tent? sparked the debut thriller The Gallagher Place by Julie Doar.

In this episode, we chat about how she wrote the first draft by instinct, then shifted gears into precision: charting dates, timelines, and cause-and-effect until every twist landed in a way that made sense.

When the manuscript worked its way to 100K+ words, cutting became an act of getting clarity on what stays, what goes, and how much weight the opening chapter really has to carry.

As it turns out, her years working at Starbucks trained the same muscles that make a thriller work: anticipating and executing under pressure. We talk about turning that fast-twitch instinct into a writing rhythm, plus the art of finishing one idea before chasing the next.

We also chat about how querying parallels sales strategy: staggering submissions, treating rejections as market data, and refining pages until they convert. The mindset shift from “why not me?” to “what did I learn?” keeps momentum alive until the right agent says yes.

✍️ You've Been Thinking About This Book Forever. So let's start writing (for real this time).

No incense, inspirational playlists, or fancy mantras. Just a clear, doable plan to get your nonfiction or memoir draft written in 33 days.

👉 https://www.publishaprofitablebook/writethebook
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Write the Damn Book Already is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with authors as well as updates and insights on writing craft and the publishing industry.
Available wherever podcasts are available:
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Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth

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Chapters

1. Hosts Warm-Up & Interview Style (00:00:00)

2. Cover Reveal & Visual Impact (00:03:36)

3. Hudson Valley Roots & Vibes (00:05:21)

4. Starbucks War Stories & Skills (00:07:46)

5. Origin of the Thriller Premise (00:11:31)

6. Drafting Without a Map (00:13:26)

7. Cutting, Timelines, and Continuity (00:16:51)

8. Querying, Rejection, and Sales Mindset (00:21:21)

9. Agent to Deal: Patience and Revisions (00:25:21)

10. Writing the Next Book: Gossip Mystery (00:28:16)

11. Single-Tracking Projects & Boundaries (00:30:51)

12. Recent Reads & Adaptations (00:33:36)

13. Closing Gratitude & Cozy Reading Plans (00:36:11)

144 episodes

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Manage episode 512315027 series 3585473
Content provided by Elizabeth Lyons. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by Elizabeth Lyons or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://podcastplayer.com/legal.

Click Here to ask your book writing and publishing questions!

A single question on a cold Hudson Valley walk: What if there’s a body in that hunter’s tent? sparked the debut thriller The Gallagher Place by Julie Doar.

In this episode, we chat about how she wrote the first draft by instinct, then shifted gears into precision: charting dates, timelines, and cause-and-effect until every twist landed in a way that made sense.

When the manuscript worked its way to 100K+ words, cutting became an act of getting clarity on what stays, what goes, and how much weight the opening chapter really has to carry.

As it turns out, her years working at Starbucks trained the same muscles that make a thriller work: anticipating and executing under pressure. We talk about turning that fast-twitch instinct into a writing rhythm, plus the art of finishing one idea before chasing the next.

We also chat about how querying parallels sales strategy: staggering submissions, treating rejections as market data, and refining pages until they convert. The mindset shift from “why not me?” to “what did I learn?” keeps momentum alive until the right agent says yes.

✍️ You've Been Thinking About This Book Forever. So let's start writing (for real this time).

No incense, inspirational playlists, or fancy mantras. Just a clear, doable plan to get your nonfiction or memoir draft written in 33 days.

👉 https://www.publishaprofitablebook/writethebook
Support the show

Write the Damn Book Already is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with authors as well as updates and insights on writing craft and the publishing industry.
Available wherever podcasts are available:
Apple Podcasts
Spotify
YouTube

Let's Connect!
Instagram
Website

Email the show: elizabeth [at] elizabethlyons [dot] com
The podcast is a proud affiliate partner of Bookshop, working to support local, independent bookstores.
To see all the ways we can work together to get your book written and published, visit publishaprofitablebook.com/work-with-elizabeth

  continue reading

Chapters

1. Hosts Warm-Up & Interview Style (00:00:00)

2. Cover Reveal & Visual Impact (00:03:36)

3. Hudson Valley Roots & Vibes (00:05:21)

4. Starbucks War Stories & Skills (00:07:46)

5. Origin of the Thriller Premise (00:11:31)

6. Drafting Without a Map (00:13:26)

7. Cutting, Timelines, and Continuity (00:16:51)

8. Querying, Rejection, and Sales Mindset (00:21:21)

9. Agent to Deal: Patience and Revisions (00:25:21)

10. Writing the Next Book: Gossip Mystery (00:28:16)

11. Single-Tracking Projects & Boundaries (00:30:51)

12. Recent Reads & Adaptations (00:33:36)

13. Closing Gratitude & Cozy Reading Plans (00:36:11)

144 episodes

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