My guest on this special live episode is Anne Michaels. Anne is an internationally award-winning novelist whose books have been translated into more than forty-five languages. She is the winner of the Orange Prize, the Guardian Fiction Prize, the Commonwealth Poetry Prize, the Trillium Book Award and a Guggenheim Fellowship, and has been shortlisted for the Governor General's Literary Award, the Griffin Poetry Prize and twice for the Giller Prize. She has also been twice longlisted for the IMPAC Dublin Literary Award. Her novel Fugitive Pieces was made into a feature film. Her most recent novel, Held, was published by McClelland & Stewart in 2024, and shortlisted for the Booker Prize and won the Giller Prize. Alice Jolly, writing about Held in The Observer, said that “at the heart of this book lies the question of how goodness and love can be held across the generations. For Michaels, our final task is ‘to endure the truth.’”

Anne and I spoke live onstage at Humber Polytechnic’s Lakeshore Campus on July 10th, as part of Humber’s Summer Workshop in Creative Writing (which I also coordinate). This is an edited version of that conversation.

Anne and I talk about how, despite being both an internationally bestselling author and a fairly shy person, she has never developed a public persona for things like onstage interviews, about the importance of, in her words, “distillation, distillation, distillation” in her novel-writing process, and about the idea of writers who revise their work even after it has been published.

This podcast is produced and hosted by Nathan Whitlock, in partnership with The Walrus.

Music: "simple-hearted thing" by Alex Lukashevsky. Used with permission.

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