In this episode of Training That Works, Rustin Schroeder talks with Lisa Hammack about a moment that completely flipped how she thought about training. One workshop changed everything — teams stopped zoning out, started solving real business problems, and leadership actually used their ideas. It wasn’t luck. It was one simple shift: starting with goals instead of content.

But that breakthrough didn’t come easy. Lisa had to fight through the usual noise — slide decks, scattered buy-in, and “training for training’s sake.” She reveals what finally made her programs stick… the tools she uses to bring learning inside the flow of work… and the exact question she asks before every session that guarantees ROI. By the end, you’ll see why most training fails — and how one change can make your team unstoppable.

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