Ever wondered who actually decides how JavaScript evolves? In this episode, Jan-Niklas Wortmann sits down with Daniel Ehrenberg, President of Ecma International and long-time TC39 contributor, talking about how the language evolves—from vague idea to official spec.
We unpack how proposals move through the stages, the philosophy behind JavaScript’s gradual evolution, and why some ideas never make it into the spec. From syntax debates to ecosystem pressures and the role of Babel, bundlers, and browser vendors—this conversation gives you a rare inside look at how your favorite language changes.
Whether you’re a JS nerd, framework author, or just curious about why import() works the way it does, this episode pulls back the curtain.
Our Fantastic Guest
Daniel Ehrenberg
Daniel Ehrenberg is a software engineer on Bloomberg’s JavaScript Infrastructure & Tooling Engineering team. He serves as the Vice President of Ecma International and contributes to Ecma TC39, the JavaScript standards committee. Daniel has dabbled in WebAssembly and web standards as well, both while at Bloomberg and in his previous positions at Igalia, a free software cooperative, and at Google on the V8 team, the JavaScript engine in Chrome.
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Chapters
00:00 - Welcome & Inside TC39: How JavaScript Evolves
08:03 - The Politics of Proposals & Consensus Building
16:05 - Syntax Innovation and Ecosystem Challenges
24:06 - Influencers of the Spec: Babel, Bundlers & Beyond
32:09 - Future Features: Import Defer, TS Gaps & Module Plans
40:00 - Community Involvement & What Comes Next
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