TPToA Podcast 415 – Fantastic Four: First Steps

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Fantastic Four: First Steps

Is this, the 4th attempt at bringing the Marvel Universe‘s “First Family” to the big screen actually as fantastic as it purports to be? Well, we have finally settled on a look and feel that best suits the classic super hero squad: and it’s ‘60s Retro-futurism all the way for one and all!!! It’s a whole new universe of Marvel stories starring Omni-daddy Pedro Pascal, serving C&%t Vanessa Kirby, Joseph “i’m on fire!” Quinn and Ebon Moss Bacharach (or baccarat as Quinny thinks he’s called) as the truly Fantastic Four!

In this film we kick of Marvel‘s Phase 6 and usher in a new style and direction of storytelling, but is it actually good? Listen in and find out!

These fantastic four reviewers are here for this one, so it’s all hands on deck as we hit this faster than light!

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Dion

Ohh hello and welcome to the pairing Table of Awesome. It is time for a foursome of a different kind on today. The Tuesday. What time? What time is it?

Speaker 3

What time is it?

Speaker 6

Blame on us? Yeah, it’s it’s.

Speaker 3

Fun it’s it’s podcasting time.

Dion

Butter in time. Wait, that doesn’t quite work. I don’t know. And right now, Pete, which she was invisible. Yeah. Yeah, well done.

Speaker 6

Speaker 3

Sorry.

Quinny

Very well done. I love the feeling now, really. She’s.

Dion

Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Embrace hope. She’s yeah, probably. Still there. Can you hear?

Jill

Really gone. Just gone.

Dion

Us in the void.

Peta

I’m invisible. I’m not silent.

Speaker

Yeah. Yes.

Dion

That’s true. They didn’t use that enough in the film. I don’t think they’re just having Sue just kind of being like, what are you guys talking about and freaking people out because, you know, I do, if I were the Invisible Man.

Jill

Yeah, she’s not seen, not heard woman.

Dion

Yeah, not seen, not heard. Wow. Hello. Back after a week. Off. Off. Yeah, yeah. Small, small break.

Quinny

Wow. Hey, I said, everybody feeling enthused and like, upbeat and stuff.

Jill

It was nice. To have a little break to be honest.

Dion

Yeah, yeah, I hate those months with the five Tuesdays. What? What weirdness is that ********? And now? Ohh, it’s it’s gone. You’ve gone all glowy and.

Peta

Yeah, I’ve, I’ve. I’ve smudged the camera so.

Quinny

And ohh well. Yeah, I know. She’s she’s actually doing the exact effect from the movie where it’s just a little.

Jill

Yeah, yeah. The Vaseline lens. Yeah.

Speaker 3

Bit of.

Quinny

Now, now pets. No.

Dion

Can I stretch my hand over here?

Quinny

Pun. Serve absolute can’t with your face while you.

Jill

Do that. Yeah, there it is.

Dion

There you go. Perfect.

Speaker 3

And now I’m going to do some cooking, OK?

Dion

Ohh dear and you know what I hope for everyone. Hello to everyone in the chat mainly for. I hope you all got to do the home.

Speaker

Hey.

Dion

Work.

Jill

Yeah. Did everyone enjoy the movie? I.

Dion

This particular day.

Quinny

Mean I could. See it? Yeah, Tari looks like that. She hasn’t seen it yet. She’s saying that she that please be good. Ohh. Interesting.

Speaker

Oh.

Speaker 6

Ohh.

Dion

Fascinating. What?

Jill

Yeah.

Dion

Look. Yeah, we Fantastic Four has been out since last Thursday. Officially, we saw it last week which? Was quite fun.

Jill

Yeah, there’s even some early screenings on Wednesday for the public.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s out. It’s part of Marvel’s Phase 266.

Quinny

Yep. First film of Save 6. First film of, say Phase 6. God, that’s.

Speaker 6

Dion

Why couldn’t have made it the first film of Phase 4?

Quinny

Because that was quite some time.

Dion

And then it. Would have been. Ago. Right. OK. Look, the fourth attempt at the Fantastic Fours and I I include in that the the 1994. 1. Which was never released except IS is is hovered around. Yes, there was a 1994 one.

Jill

That would make this the 5th 1 then.

Dion

Yeah. No, no, it’s it’s, it’s, I say this as in the fourth go at it because there were two with the same cast. So you have the, yeah.

Speaker 6

Ohh OK.

Dion

What are you talking about? This is. Our fourth thing. We have had, yes, it’s the fourth thing, you know, Michael Chiklis did a great job getting covered in rubber.

Quinny

That is true, Yep.

Peta

Yeah.

Dion

You know, and then you know, we’re up to this one.

Jill

Can’t remember the other guy.

Quinny

That’s gonna get off in the life. And remember who played the thing in Fan 4? Stick. Ohh my.

Dion

God fan 4 stick.

Jill

I know.

Quinny

That was, that’s what it’s called.

Jill

Fan Fant Fant 4 stick.

Quinny

I don’t know, but I I just.

Jill

Yeah, I think that a was in the. Middle not at the start.

Quinny

Ohh OK, I just call it fan 4 stick because it’s it’s easier to say.

Dion

Ohh, that’s right, it’s Jamie Bell.

Quinny

Ohh God that’s.

Dion

Right, you remember.

Speaker 2

Whoops.

Quinny

He was the young.

Dion

Billy Elliot.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Quinny

And and the young, chipper guy out of of the first king or the the King Kong movie that Peter Jackson did.

Dion

And he was also tin tin. But that was who made.

Quinny

It so not really who you would think. Yeah, would fit in a giant thing.

Jill

Memorable.

Dion

That he was the. Thing, yes.

Quinny

And Karina makes a good point, a arresting piece to Julian McMahon, who was the 1st Doctor Doom actually. Sorry, 2nd Doctor Doom.

Speaker

Yeah. Yeah.

Dion

Yes, because there was a doom.

Jill

I did rewatch the 2005 version on the weekend just for a bit of nostalgia. Yeah, I like those trashy ones. They’re great. They’re so campy and stupid.

Speaker

Did you?

Quinny

What did you think of it?

Speaker

Yeah.

Jill

And I look back on them. And I’m like, wow, the simpler times where we did comic book films. And we really, really did make them comic bookie.

Speaker

Yeah, man. Yeah.

Dion

And finally.

Jill

Well, we weren’t going. For all of the realism and stuff.

Quinny

Yeah. And they didn’t have to fit in with some. Gigantic *******. Thing.

Jill

I will tell you practical effects. Thing I don’t know I like. Yeah, CGI 1 is like that, feels like. A cheap cop out.

Quinny

Right. OK. OK. Fine, no suit.

Jill

With balls on it and not put in. Any effort and? Just animate it.

Quinny

You know what?

Dion

Wait, do you mean wait?

Peta

The fine effort.

Jill

Hey, it’s a different kind of effort. I’m like, let’s get our hands dirty and make a ******* stinky suit out of foam expanding. Foam or something like that and. Of course, some lung disease. Let’s get into.

Dion

I’m I’m going to like, I’m just going to take it on part of the actors there. Sometimes I’m just going to be like, yeah, maybe they don’t.

Jill

It.

Quinny

This is Jeff.

Dion

Want that? Maybe they don’t want to spend 16 hours in a makeup chair to to to do. Yeah.

Speaker 6

As a cosplayer, I I would agree, but I would also disagree because I think it would be fun to make it.

Dion

Sure. I mean ultimately it’ll be that great thing of like they make someone do that and then they just go oh.

Quinny

I’m. I’m just.

Dion

We’re just gonna CGI it.

Quinny

Well, The thing is, there was a there was a lot of the thing in this one that was actually practical. Like there’s quite believe it or not, there’s there’s shots that they hired a a pretty big wrestler to be the body for it. So on set. A lot of the time there was a practical suit, dude of roughly the right size. Is.

Jill

So we’re not talking about a guy that’s just standing in there in a green zentai.

Quinny

No, I mean when when they’re doing it with Evan Moss, Baccarat, then he was in the uh, whatever the **** he said. Backup, backup, backtrack.

Dion

Doctor rap. No. Baccarat. That’s a.

Quinny

Alright.

Dion

Game I know.

Quinny

Dion

Know you’re in a casino in Monte. Carlo yes, guys.

Quinny

Anyway, when he was on set, yeah, they they had this entire certain stuff like that. But there were quite a lot of it that was shot any time they needed, like a wide shot and everything. They actually had a dude in a suit with the. Ohh head and everything. Cool. Alright. Yeah, I’ve I’ve seen the the pictures of that, but I’ve also in the chat just put a link to the 1994 one and the thing in that Jill, you would love that one because the the suit actually looks more like the comic book character than any of the others have.

Jill

I love the terrifying dead. Eyes.

Speaker 3

I know.

Dion

I mean, it’s great. It’s yeah, it’s very thingy.

Jill

That’s. Yeah, that’s.

Speaker 6

Look at that thingy over there. That thingy.

Dion

Yeah, that, that, that is definitely something I’d go. What is that thing? If I saw it in a in a thing?

Jill

With that young man with fake grey sideburns.

Quinny

I know, right?

Dion

Yeah. Hey guys. I’m trying hard here, Joe. What?

Quinny

Honestly, if you could find that film. Like this. This is I love this one because my my thing with Fantastic Four it it started with this film because I was one of those ******* nerds who heard that there was a film that got made and was never released. So I then went and hunted.

Speaker

For.

Quinny

It and I, you know, back in the days of VHS trading, got somebody to send me a *******. VHS of this film that had never been released, and I’ve watched it. It’s terrible, but it’s actually got a lot of, like, it’s trying really hard.

Jill

And. Nice.

Quinny

To do all of the things that are fantastic, four movie should do just with no budget. Hmm. So yeah, like it’s got Doctor Doom. It’s got the mole, man. It’s it’s got them all doing their powers. But like Reed, stretchy arms are like pool noodles with a with a *******. A glove on the end.

Jill

I mean that’s still image alone is giving vibes of like 70s Italian Spiderman.

Dion

Yes, got a bit of that. I mean, you’ve gotta. What’s what’s the what’s the the crossover slash league like the Marvel Group, you know, secret wars thing. It’s the 1989 Punisher. Dolph Lundgren. It’s the the Captain America film. It’s the Fantastic Four film.

Quinny

Hmm.

Dion

You know, it’s all of those ones Pre Marvel Universe. Mashed together. And you’re like, what is this strain? ******* place, but we don’t. Here, we’re in a different, strange place this time. We’re in much more budget, some bigger names and some.

Quinny

Yeah.

Dion

Finally, they sort of kind of got people who give a ****.

Quinny

Yeah, yeah.

Dion

About doing something fun.

Quinny

Yeah.

Jill

And that’s nice. Surprising what you’re going to accomplish when you put in some time and effort.

Speaker

Yeah, isn’t it?

Dion

Isn’t it’s kind of like oh.

Quinny

And when you? And when you’ve had three goes at it before and gotten it wrong three times. You kind of go. Well, **** it. We’re gonna hold off on this one because, I mean, Fantastic Four has always been seen as Marvel’s first family. Like, you know, they’re they’re one of the very earliest Marvel superhero groups. And you know, we’re what, 40, you know, 39 films in now something.

Speaker 5

Sure.

Dion

More, I don’t know 112 where 112 films in now. That’s how many there are. I I won’t be fact checked.

Quinny

And we’ve, yeah, and now we’ve just introduced the very first Fantastic Four stuff. So yeah, it’s it’s an interesting one. I mean, obviously they were tied up in rights for. A long time.

Dion

But yeah, I mean. Look, it’s fine. We’re just going to ignore the rest of those fan 4 test. Stick, whatever it is.

Quinny

Can’t ignore them.

Dion

We have to stick, then forget stick. That’s what I. Yeah, we’re gonna ignore that.

Quinny

Not. The autistic fans.

Dion

We’re going to, we’re going to ignore that. Michael B Jordan, he’s also Johnny Storm. Yes, I know, right. No, he’s not Killmonger. He’s definitely Johnny storm. We’re also going to ignore that Captain America.

Quinny

Ohh yeah yeah, he was one of them.

Speaker

Yeah.

Jill

Was also Johnny Storm and Captain America.

Dion

Was also. Stone. Yeah. Yes, exactly. We’re going to ignore all of those things and focus very.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

Much in Comic Daddy and his family and Pedro Pascal’s not not happy just being space Daddy, Apocalypse Daddy and General General Daddy.

Jill

Yeah. Thanks, daddy.

Dion

Now he’s also comic Daddy.

Quinny

Hmm.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

Yeah, along with.

Quinny

Is there anything he can’t, daddy?

Dion

You know what? Hollywood will not let him. Not daddy something. He’s in there now forever. Like. Yeah, he will just. He will just keep doing it until everyone collectively gets sick of him. And I’ll be able to return to an anonymity.

Quinny

Hmm. I just realized it is the summer of Pedro, it’s.

Jill

Summer picture.

Dion

Yeah.

Speaker

Been just realized.

Dion

Multiple summers.

Quinny

It was another ******* attempted Fantastic Four.

Dion

Oh. Have you? Yes, grey tailed.

Quinny

Well, technically. There was another Reed Richards. Ohh John Krasinski but that.

Jill

Yes. Yeah, that’s right.

Dion

That’s in Multiverse of Madness, which is so the. But that’s not the Fantastic Four.

Quinny

Yes, from. Marvel Universe. He’s one of the breeds.

Jill

He was. He’s Mr. fantastic.

Dion

Is he though?

Jill

Yes.

Quinny

He’s Mr. spaghetti by the end of. It but anyway.

Dion

Yeah, like I mean, yeah, that’s just on film, but it it, it wasn’t the Fantastic Four and this is what we want to focus on. It’s about these group of people and. How they’re represented in cinema? Yeah. What you’re not.

Jill

Capturing in the audio is our eye rolls.

Quinny

Massive massive eye roll.

Dion

Come on.

Quinny

Beyond wiping away John Krasinski from the from the entire multiverse of of anything, and we’re all going. No, no, no.

Jill

Yeah, that’s because they don’t. Can’t do a convincing cosplay of John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic. You can only do the Pedro.

Dion

No, I cannot.

Jill

Dion

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and if you squint, the Ian Crawford one.

Speaker 6

You’re clean shaven for that one.

Quinny

I’ve just had an eye. Yeah, my eyes are not that ******* blind.

Dion

OK, then fine. I’ll go with this one if this. If he’s part of the Fantastic Four Canon, you need to cast the other three members of the Fantastic Four in those universes. Who is it going?

Jill

That’s true. OK. Oh my God. Yeah. Can we come back to this at the?

Dion

No immediate. OK. We’ll give you time. Time. Yeah, time.

Jill

End of the show. We’ll be here for 15.

Dion

Minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So if if if John Krasinski’s Mr. Fantastic and chat go and throw some something we.

Quinny

Man. Need to sleep? Yeah.

Speaker 6

******* Emily Blunt. I would go. Emily Blunt force.

Jill

Storm.

Quinny

**** yeah. Yep, Yep. You down to?

Dion

That yeah, Karina, just like gonna get to the. Synopsis yet guys.

Speaker

Yeah.

Peta

You know, keep getting pushed.

Speaker

Push.

Speaker 6

Push by the chat. Let’s go.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that’s a wow.

Quinny

I’m being bullied by the test.

Peta

This film about.

Quinny

What is this film about it? No, I’m not gonna. I’m not gonna do the synopsis now because I’ve been told. I have to.

Jill

No. Ohh yes.

Speaker 6

Jesus.

Dion

Christ.

Jill

That sounds like me energy.

Dion

Peta

Settling into that demand avoidance there.

Dion

Come on. Tony, have you got? Have you got some synopsis?

Peta

Yeah.

Quinny

For us it is. I have got a. Synopsis for everyone but Karina.

Peta

To be fair to Karina, it’s been 20 minutes.

Jill

Can you do it in a Brooklyn accent? OK.

Speaker 3

Forced ohh. Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must defend Earth from a ravenous space God called Galactus and his enigmatic herald the Silver Surfer. And guess what? It’s clubber and die this.

Quinny

Ohh, cool, that’s it. That’s the whole book. Was an opposite. Trust me, there was an even shorter one.

Speaker

Is that it?

Speaker 6

Yeah. Wow.

Dion

I love sofas, yeah.

Speaker 6

Silvers, soyfer yeah, soyfer.

Dion

Some some more continents and vowels in there that I remember from.

Speaker 3

Hey, I’m going down the street and I’m going to start some some flights. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dion

Yeah, that’s about it.

Quinny

Hey, get that man some cookies. Thank you. I.

Dion

Would love some cookies. That’s kind of what the movie is about and I’m, I’m I’m with it like this isn’t one of those films that you went and saw and you’re like, oh, great, we get to have an origin story of how did they get their powers, how did. They do this like how do we go through that? They were like, no, you know what?

Quinny

Ohh thank God.

Jill

Yes, we just got a tidy. Little vignette, and that’s all we needed.

Dion

Yep. Quite a long vignette really explaining like how they fit into the world and how suddenly the the brokers of World Peace and everyone looks up to them and they’re the world’s family.

Quinny

Yep.

Jill

Yeah, I kind of love it.

Dion

I mean, OK.

Jill

They’re. They’re paragons.

Quinny

Yeah. And we, the the important thing to note is that we’re in a different world here we are in. We’re not in the regular Marvel Universe. We are in a weird kind of quasi 60s future pop, yeah, different reality.

Speaker

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3

It’s.

Dion

It’s 60s futurism, so it’s just it’s there’s a divergent.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

From our history to where it has ended up in this Earth history, and I’m I dig it, I dig the style, imagine in the 60s if four people got shot into space and came back and had all these powers and solved a bunch of problems.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

And a bunch of other things happen. That’s how that kind of goes. It’s like, yeah, well, you know.

Quinny

Yeah. And the difference.

Speaker

I mean.

Quinny

Not actually stated what year this is, is it?

Dion

No, no, it’s just the different earth.

Quinny

Yeah, right.

Dion

And what that is. But people don’t have.

Jill

Yeah, it could be current day 2. 616 Earth we don’t.

Quinny

Yeah, yeah.

Jill

Know that’s just what this earth.

Dion

Yeah. Looks like there’s big. There’s big kind of LED screens, but no cell phones.

Speaker

Slide.

Peta

Yep, well, it’s kind of like they’ve kind of gone. We don’t need to put energy into making TV screens flat. We’ll just have giant non flat TV screens and faster than light space travel. Yeah, yes. But we’re gonna do with that extra energy.

Dion

There’s there’s like.

Quinny

No.

Dion

You know. Yeah.

Peta

We don’t need to put energy into like inventing MP threes. We’ll just keep records. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And teleporting.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Peta

Think of what we could have done as humanity.

Quinny

I didn’t know.

Dion

Exactly all of our computerisation goes on tape.

Jill

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, we invented cassettes and then CD’s and then digital format music. And now we’re back to ******* records again.

Quinny

So yeah, but they just didn’t bother leaving the the records. Yeah, because they realized it was the the superior format from the start, especially if you print them in.

Dion

Yes. Gold. And if you haven’t got a troop of players in your lounge room. You know, yeah. Eventually we’ll get to there, won’t we, like? Oh, this is my 9 musicians that follow me around and. Play music to me.

Speaker

Yeah.

Quinny

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Karina and Casper both kind of make the point. It’s very jetsons.

Dion

Yeah. And that’s kind of great because that’s very familiar to the people who knew fantastic for for when they were growing up based on the cartoon, which is the the sort of.

Peta

So jetsons.

Dion

The carry over of where people would sit from the Saturday morning kind of cartoon and. You know it it it sets the tone that everyone could easily get into and I went, I’m here. I immediately know what’s going on. It has a different Marvel logo, it has a different kind of a soundtrack. It’s setting itself in a in a particular period and I was like, I’ll go with this. This is totally different to every ******* thing else. This isn’t a dark and gritty reboot. This isn’t. Anything really to do with the rest of the Marvel Universe? Yeah, kinda. Which makes me happy. And I was like, I’ll go with this. I’m immediately just going to be like, all right, what do you got?

Jill

Yeah. I think the thing that’s so immersive about it is the visual language that they’ve lent into so strongly and so thoroughly like the the set design and production. All the set pieces, the costumes, everything like that was like. Beautiful, like there was such attention to detail and there was not like a wasted moment on screen. It was so interesting that we’re talking about like, how like futuristic retro it is but. Like the. Costuming wasn’t futuristic. That was still like grounded in 60s fashion.

Speaker

Hmm yeah.

Dion

I had a really good time just watching the sets and the costumes. I was like they have actually paid a lot of detail to the costuming, not only of the signature folk, but the people around them too. Looked sharp as ****, I gotta say.

Quinny

And.

Jill

Yeah, like the the space suits and their hero suits were were still like. Grounded within like that 60s, like retro futuristic style, but had like the the strong 60s fashion elements as well in terms of like the textures of the fabrics and things that they used but the the colour theory throughout was fantastic and yeah just the the visual language that they. Used in this film was just so Cohen.

Peta

It’s a joy for. The arts, hmm.

Dion

Joy for the eyes until we get to the failure of the film.

Quinny

Wow. Jesus. OK, so, so just a reminder folks, the deal also sat through Superman and huffed.

Speaker

Go further on.

Dion

I did. I did half. He did half I wanna also. Caveat that I did see Fantastic Four, but beforehand I had.

Speaker 6

So.

Dion

To watch. Beforehand I had to win. The Avatar trailer 17 times. I don’t. I don’t know how to explain that in terms of everything else, but I had to sit through the Avatar trailer. Too many ******* times, and that may have influenced my decision. And how I enjoyed that film slightly too many times.

Jill

Anyway, yeah, it’s almost like they strapped you to that chair and made you watch them 17 times.

Dion

They kind of did. Yeah. You know, because you know, as we all know, in those kind of cinema things, the seats are gold. And if you leave one, you’re done. It’s going coming back but anyway.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Dion

OK, enough of that. Fantastic for what? What are your first four impressions?

Quinny

I just wanna know why you’re getting ready to throw it.

Speaker 2

Hello.

Quinny

Under the bus. To you ohh.

Speaker 2

No, no.

Quinny

Like there have been a couple of times that you’ve already kind of started. Coming out of. Swinging. I wanna know why the big.

Speaker

There is.

Dion

Rubber punches out. Well, first, I mean, we all hate John Krasinski. And. No, I’m just joking. That’s. Three just threw that out there for.

Peta

Come on for John Krasinski. And he’s not like.

Jill

He can’t even defend himself.

Quinny

He’s such a nice guy. Everybody talking.

Dion

About, I’m talking about how effusively I love the costuming, the design, the aesthetic, the way that it just kind of moves the story along really, really quickly. It throws in some amazing nods and references to the historical stuff, like there’s covers of famous Fantastic Four issues thrown in very quickly. I know you’ve got.

Quinny

Oh my God, that made me so happy.

Dion

Classic villains like Mole Man and the Red Ghost. Yeah. Ish red. Red ghost off.

Speaker 3

Well, sort of.

Dion

Like all of that stuff is kind of great. Herbie is amazing. The fantastic car, which I think often gets ignored.

Quinny

Yeah.

Jill

Uh-huh.

Dion

In, in a lot of, this is part of the fun about the Fantastic Four is all of the bits and pieces that Reed comes up with. That’s all kind of themed Herbie, as I said. Yeah. And he was.

Quinny

Great. OK. Does everybody know the history of why Herbie exists?

Jill

No.

Quinny

OK, this is my my favorite stupid piece of ******* history. So in the 60s, when the Fantastic Four was being turned into a cartoon, they went OK we’re going to do the Fantastic Four and the standards people of America went hang on. One of the characters is on fire.

Speaker

Tell.

Quinny

We can’t have a children’s TV show where the children want to emulate the heroes and have a character be on fire. Why not so? In the 60s cartoon of Fantastic Four. Johnny Storm is removed entirely and is replaced by Herbie. This is where Herbie came from. Wow.

Speaker

Oh. Yeah.

Quinny

So the fact that, like the fact that he’s in the movie is ******* hilarious. But his history is even better.

Jill

That’s wild.

Quinny

And I’m pretty sure he actually talked in the animated series, but yeah, and didn’t just make bleeps and.

Speaker 6

Wheels. I like the Droid vibe it was.

Dion

Didn’t. Yeah, it didn’t sound like. Yeah, it didn’t sound like a 60s frickin B.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

I just. I just remembered something. Thing when we get this Sue storm into the proper Marvel Universe, she’s going to have to come up against Namor, yes.

Quinny

Hmm.

Dion

And and that’s a lot of that’s a that’s a whole. Jean Grey, Wolverine, Cyclops thing going to happen right there anyway. That’s right.

Jill

That’s something we can work on.

Dion

Later. Yeah, there’s a lot of smart in that one anyway, yeah.

Speaker

Yes.

Quinny

And apparently on on the set all the time, Vanessa Kirby is like, So what? What’s going on with Namal? Pedro’s like, for ***** sake, right?

Dion

Here she knows what’s going on. She gets all the cast members.

Quinny

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Dion

Yeah. Look, I. Had a great time with it, like, you know, really good introductions to quick introductions to characters. Everyone got a little bit of ability to show who they were as characters very rapidly. Like, you didn’t have to pay to. Much there, but I also really appreciated how much they felt like a family and they felt caring and it was showing them in a particular way, which it wasn’t like, oh, these are conflicted people. They don’t know how to, you know, where’s the drama? I mean, the drama isn’t in the family. The drama is external forces. And I think they got that really well because there was a really cool vibe to sort of be like ohh this is, this is cool kind of family like like I I would take children to watch it and be like see, this is how you’re nice to each other. You don’t have to hit each other. You know.

Quinny

Don’t set each other on fire.

Dion

Don’t set each other on fire. Try stop working so hard.

Quinny

Pete Jew talk to me.

Jill

Oh my God. Ohh feels like so long ago but it was only Friday.

Dion

Four days ago that you saw it.

Jill

Ohh my goodness, I really liked the film. I had a good time. I saw it well. I mean, all the things that I said about the costume and set design and all that stuff was just fabulous. I thought like the story pacing was good. Like they they got to the point and they, you know they executed ABC. You know, here’s what’s happening. Here’s our problem. And here’s how we overcome. It, like they did that. UM. I thought the action bats were good. But again, I’m just not getting my **** blown off. Guys. The jet film. We’re back to the **** rating scale. OK0 **** means it was ******* amazing because they blew them both off, but two **** is bad because it doesn’t mean that I didn’t like the movie.

Quinny

Back to. Rating system.

Jill

It just didn’t **** **. Way and it made me start to think that there was something wrong with me. Like am I not finding enjoyment out of these movies anymore? Like is it becoming passe? Is it like over saturation? Like what’s the issue? I think what the issue is is that too many movies. Are just safe. They’re in a safe zone. They do what they do on the box and they do no more than that.

Speaker

Hmm.

Jill

I’m not getting any like thrill, danger, excitement from these movies anymore. It feels really middle of the road and pedestrian and that’s not to say that Fantastic Four was a bad movie. It was a good movie because it did its job, but it didn’t go above and beyond. And become an exceptional film. And I just, I feel that way about Superman as well. That was not exceptional to me, and it just kind of feels like every time we go and see a big blockbuster, I come out like feeling it was it was middling level.

Speaker

Yes.

Quinny

I agree, but I want to keep Pete’s. Take on it? Sure.

Peta

I think it’s very well constructed, beautifully made. Film, I mean, we’ve talked about the production design and the look of it already, which is great. You know, we’ve talked about the the structure which is logical and probably better constructed than Superman. And and I do think it’s funny that I’ve kind of liked the exposition. Free tool here that I hated so much and electric state, same tool, different vibe. It’s it’s easy to get into and you want it to be because there are some plot points that that, that require a very high level of suspension of disbelief. Even for a comic book movie, you know, usually I I I I try to give the the Budweiser and the ********* like. A bit of a break in in certain genres, but I struggled a bit with a couple of the plot points that very much drove some parts of the story. Because it was a bit wibbly wobbly. Sciency want see? Yes. Yeah, like, don’t.

Jill

Get into the proton stream, but get into the proton stream, yeah.

Dion

Yeah, you’re Superman.

Peta

That was and, and I think the issue is I I I get I I have a tendency to get a little bit distracted if I can’t. If that suspension of disbelief gets interrupted, and I think that these particular plot points were distracting enough that even though I was enjoying the film, I still. Got kind of. Kicked out of this story a. Little bit by thinking? Yeah, but Nah.

Quinny

Are these things that need to be talked about in spoilery territory or?

Peta

Ohh, everything needs to be talked about in spoiler territory. It’s it’s just and if they weren’t plotted drivers.

Dion

OK, alright, fair enough.

Peta

It would have felt a little bit different as well, but it it did kind of feel like as well constructed and entertaining and beautiful as the film is. I kind of agree with Jill that you kind of I didn’t personally come out of the end of it going like. **** yeah. Amazing superhero film. It was just kind of like, ohh, that was like really well constructed and good looking and entertaining. And yeah, Pedro.

Quinny

I I have, I agree very much with with everything you guys have said. My biggest problem with it is that. The movie didn’t have its next gear up like all the way through it puddled along at an enjoyable kind of pace. It was doing what was needed, you know, things were kind of getting, you know, you had your action beats and stuff like that. But then when you get to your climax. It doesn’t have the next gear, it can’t shift it back a cog. And really. Go ****. Let’s go. It didn’t have that it, you know, the the climax I kind of was like and oh, OK, right. We’re done. ****. OK. Huh. And that’s. Kind of implementing of the whole film that it’s really well made as as we’ve all said, well made, well shot, lovely costumes, lovely everything.

Jill

Great performances, everybody was on their a game.

Quinny

But nothing that made me go ****. That was a moment. Like, you know, there was nothing. There was no moment like.

Speaker

Yeah.

Quinny

The thors hammer. With that, America, there was no kind of really emotional beat of.

Speaker

Yeah.

Quinny

Vision saying you know that love is just pain. You know, whatever. I can’t even remember the quote. But you know those those those really like deep seated moments that make you go ohh. That got me right in the heart.

Speaker

Hmm.

Peta

Which Thunderbolts did for me, and that, you know, I. I guess if if if you’re going to hold it up against superhero films we’ve seen this year from a.

Speaker

Hmm.

Peta

Is it a good movie?

Speaker

Hmm.

Peta

Mm-hmm. You know, well-rounded perspective, I would still put Thunderbolts ahead of this, regardless of how beautifully. Thought out the world was.

Quinny

Yeah, like there, there were lovely moments and their lovely ideas. I love the idea of the whole world pulling together to go **** we’ve got. Eight months to build something or, you know, and we’re all going to pull in this together and we’re all going to come together over something. It’s a great concept, but it just never felt like it had those that, that personal danger of what we saw in Thunderbolt and. A lot of people who are doing the, which one did you like more, Superman or or fantastic? 4. I personally thought the Superman took more risks. You know, it was weirder. It was.

Peta

Well, it was more. It was more current in in its messaging and the. The risks that it. Was taking in that messaging as well, and I think also you kind of.

Dion

Hmm.

Peta

This is a bit of an imbalance, I suppose in the rate that one escalates because you can kind of attempt to escalate the stakes to the highest possible point and the escalate them so high that the audience cannot believe. That. That jeopardy is going to come to pass in that context, which actually, which actually kind of destroys that moment, is kind of gotta be like a believable, worst case scenario that they’re facing. Not like, well, of course, they’re trying to find a way to avert that. There’s gonna be a little part of you that’s like.

Quinny

Hmm.

Peta

Ohh, they might fail, which I kind.

Speaker

Hmm.

Peta

Of felt in this.

Quinny

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like.

Peta

Otherwise, you don’t feel the jeopardy, you know, the way that you should.

Speaker

Hmm.

Quinny

Yeah, and and I don’t know, I feel like something like Superman has has more of a an alter kind of vision behind it. Like, you know, that felt like James Gunn saying something and his whole thing about found family and his whole thing about being outsiders and, you know, he. He has a particular thumbprint that is all over that. This one I couldn’t tell you. A thumbprint it was.

Peta

Which is funny because it is tonally and structurally much more consistent.

Quinny

Absolutely.

Jill

Yeah, it’s a. Package. Yeah, it has an aesthetic and it, you know, executes that, but yeah.

Quinny

Yeah. And and like.

Jill

There’s there’s special sauce.

Quinny

Yeah. And and I don’t. Know what it is because. I was wanting to get excited. I was super wanting to get excited and it just never quite hit me. And even when big things happened, I was like.

Jill

Karina made a good point that she thought we were going to see them fail. Based on what we saw in the post credit scene of Thunderbolts and I want to make a point where I kind of wish that that scene never existed because it coloured my expectations.

Speaker

Hmm.

Jill

This film I was going in.

Quinny

Yes, I’m.

Peta

I forget what that scene.

Jill

Was ohh that’s actually it was it was there. There was like ohh we can. We’re picking up something on our radar and then they zoom into space and they see the Fantastic Four ships flying through space and that bit. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a different expectation of what I was expecting in this film. And so I’m like.

Speaker 6

It’s just.

Dion

Just a a rocket ship in the sky. Kind of, or if it is, we don’t know.

Jill

Just on the edge of my seat the whole time, thinking. Well, how are they gonna get to our earth? When are we gonna see that? When are we gonna see that? And. And I’m like, so I wasn’t in the moment with everything else that was happening because I was anticipating something else to.

Quinny

Yeah. Yeah. And and maybe that’s that, that other cog that.

Speaker

Happen.

Quinny

I was expecting. Maybe that’s the the the next thing up is that you know, they do like, fail or they do something that that then took it to a different level.

Speaker

Yeah.

Jill

That causes them to and then this is how we get to this moment. But like now that we’re not going to have The Avengers doomsday film until another 18 months.

Quinny

Jill

I’m like, wow, how are they going to get our butts in the seats for that one?

Quinny

Yeah.

Jill

Because after watching this movie, I’m like. Ah, I don’t really know where we’re going.

Quinny

Neller.

Peta

At the end, do you feel safe now with your opinion to share?

Dion

I mean, my opinion is based on Fantastic Four and how I enjoyed this movie or didn’t.

Quinny

Which is a really difficult thing to do to to take the movie entirely on its own. Yeah, been its own value and.

Speaker 2

What?

Quinny

So aside from my expectation, aside from the other movie I watched a week and a half before, yeah, aside from.

Dion

Yeah.

Quinny

All of that, yeah.

Dion

Look there. This is the thing. Like I I really like to to throw this through. I really enjoyed Thunderbolts because it broke expectations that I had. I was there for it to say, what are you gonna do with this? And I was. Like wow, that is a great movie. I had certain expectations about Superman or I was wondering what was going to go, and I felt it wasn’t as good as I thought. It’s going. And I went to Fantastic Four. Saying how is this going to go? And I thought, yeah, I had a little bit of the same thing the the ending. Thing towards the end and some of the reasoning and stuff I was a bit like oh, this doesn’t make sense and I don’t understand where it does or doesn’t fit and I feel like they’re going to have to for some reason do another one in that universe for some reason. And I’m just a bit confused. I feel like it just kind of didn’t. You’re right, had that. Where’s that gear? Where’s the gear? Range. Where does it go up? Where do the stakes get bigger? Where does it become really important? But really I liked it because it. Was you can see across the entire movie from start to finish. It was a love letter to the time of the original Fantastic Four. Like all of the Kirby, all of the weird stories are just written into it. So it is made with a lot of reverence and a lot of love. And I really liked that because there was good messaging that was in there.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

The execution or some of the reasoning is just I don’t know how this fits. In the rest, like I love that it’s an outsider film, but I also don’t then. But what’s are we are we going to follow these people? Is that the point or is it just having a second one? Like I don’t. Know like it’s another Fantastic Four is like.

Quinny

Yeah.

Dion

Will we see him?

Jill

Yeah. Are we making this movie just to make a sequel? Just so we can make? Money.

Quinny

Yeah. Well, or are we making this one just because we needed to have a really good bad guy for the MCU. We’ve already announced who that bad guy. So we really had to have this film before doomsday could happen.

Jill

Yeah. There’s a lot of very upset people in. Our screening at the end of this movie.

Quinny

Yeah, yeah, there was.

Dion

Yeah, Speaking of bad guys, how do we feel about the villain aspects of this one?

Speaker

Hmm.

Jill

I was curious to how I would ever see Galactus executed on film, and I think it. Up to a point, it was well done.

Dion

Is it? Is it better than the giant cloud?

Speaker 6

Ohh yeah, we don’t need.

Dion

So the.

Jill

Some amorphous cloud like I want to see an actual Galactus and like how?

Dion

So.

Jill

Do you do? That I mean, especially after we had the Eternals where, you know, we have things God like beings in space, it’s like, OK, well now how do we make a Galactus?

Speaker

Hmm.

Jill

That was really cool, but then there was a moment where I thought it was. Not cool. Maybe I’ll talk about that in sport.

Dion

How? How did you feel about Charlotte Owl?

Jill

I thought it was sick. I’m like, yeah, let’s go back to the original Silver Surfer. Yeah. People will be surprised to know the original Silver Surfer was not a dude.

Quinny

I I knew that Michelle label was an alternate, but I didn’t realize that.

Jill

I think the original Silver Surfer was a woman, and then it was her lover that begged Galactus to trade places with her.

Quinny

Yeah, yeah. Entry.

Dion

Interesting, yeah.

Jill

And disappointed we didn’t get the what if Aunt May was the Herald for Galactus and we didn’t get the golden oldie.

Dion

What are you talking about? Marisa? To me, isn’t that old?

Quinny

I I think.

Speaker 3

No.

Quinny

I think there were there were sequences in there watching the the Silver Surfer surfing through.

Speaker

Ohh.

Quinny

Like Kirby Crackle, ******* cosmic power surfing through black holes where I was like, **** yeah, this is cool. You know, surfing around curving laser beams and ****. I was like.

Dion

Well, grab. Yeah.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Dion

******* hell yeah, that’s that’s the weird success stuff. That was the bitter.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

Was like, oh, this is great. Like, how do you put the Silver Surfer in? Why does it doesn’t even make sense. And it’s like, yeah, it does. If you lean into that. Crazy kind of 60s vibe that it originally was about. It’s like, yeah, I’m just gonna surf, like, through cosmic waves, man, it’s. Like. Cool. That’s fun. Yeah, it helps if you take LSD.

Quinny

Hmm.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

You know.

Quinny

Like there was something so ******* cool with all of that visual stuff. Yeah, that up until now, we’ve never really gotten because the only other time we’re seeing the Silver Surfer, he was on Earth, so it didn’t have that real cosmic kind of.

Dion

Maybe. He was the T1000 man.

Jill

Thing, yeah.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

He just kind. Of morphed around as needed for the plot.

Quinny

Your thoughts on on the Silver Surfer?

Peta

Neutral. Cool. I I don’t have a lot of feelings about the Silver Surfer as a character, but I thought she was. I thought it it was cool execution.

Dion

Yeah.

Quinny

Hmm. Yeah, look cool. And I like the the human eyes too. I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, cause you I feel like you still need something to latch onto for a motion, yeah.

Speaker

Mm-hmm.

Quinny

I thought that was smart.

Speaker

And. Look, there’s look.

Dion

There’s lots of fun stuff in there. Standouts for me. I I I need to say I really annoyed that they didn’t rename it the fantastic six because to be honest, there are 6 characters in this movie. By the end of it, you’re watching it like there’s not just four, there’s more. Who you’re following through with, which was a bit of a surprise because I was like, OK, right. You’re just going to lean very heavily into the entire thing. Sure. I really. Kirby, I love that they went into galactic space because that’s kind of that’s that kind of that’s really fun. Like Reed Richards is that kind of character who, you know, is your prototypical 50s, you know, American Americanized painting, you know, of, like, it’s a pipe and slippers and, you know. Dad’s home.

Jill

Yeah. The Norman Rockwell. Yes. Please looking forward.

Dion

Yeah, absolutely. 100% The Rockwell and it it. But presented in that very conservative way, but he’s not a conservative. Like you know, it’s kind of like I’m just going to learn how to fold matter and bend this, and then we’re going to space. All right, everyone, safety third. Let’s go. That’s kind of Reed riches. Like he built a thing called the Ultimate Nullifier. And it kills anything in the known Marvel Universe. And then he’s just like ohh someone.

Quinny

He’s.

Dion

Like.

Speaker

Like.

Dion

******** Reed, you know like.

Quinny

One thing you you said to me afterwards too.

Jill

Yeah, I mean. He just casually solved teleportation in this.

Dion

Yeah, yeah.

Jill

Film or whatever.

Quinny

Whatever. Whatever one thing you said to me too, and I agreed like they’ve always struggled to get Reed Richards powers looking good on screen. Like it’s very hard to do stretchy guy without it looking dumb, but one of the things that is kind of sad is that in the.

Dion

Yes.

Quinny

The comics and everything. Quite often you’ll see him, and that stretchiness of his body is a. Is. A all about echoing who he’s mentally. Yeah. So his arms are over here. You know, riding on the blackboard and his other arms over here, smoking a pipe and his head is, you know, stretched out over here, looking at the, you know, out the window or something like that. And there wasn’t much of that. It was very much like, this is traditionally handsome Pedro.

Peta

Yeah.

Jill

It’s it’s tiny. Yeah, it’s a tiny bit like he was doing. A little bit of the blackboard. Stuff and the catching things, but.

Speaker 6

Yeah, I don’t.

Jill

I don’t think we really got to see him actually use his powers much in the film as a whole.

Quinny

Nope. Nope.

Dion

It’s very, very expensive to animate Pedro Pascal.

Peta

It’s it’s a dump power.

Speaker 3

Pete. Pete, in there, it’s true.

Jill

I mean, it might be a time you. Would change your mind.

Speaker

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Blubbering time, no.

Quinny

Should we rate it because we are, we’re going on a.

Peta

Yes, yes.

Quinny

Long time. Ohh good.

Jill

Oh my goodness. I don’t know. I’m gonna pick a number.

Dion

How many tips off Jim?

Speaker 6

Yeah, the tip scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jill

Yeah. The two tip film, but.

Quinny

I mean, I’m gonna. I will change the rating system if I have to, but it’s gonna really.

Dion

I had some I had some issues with it, but I did enjoy. I had a fun time. I’m gonna give it a 75. No 70. I’m gonna go 70. Sorry. I’m. I’m back down a little bit mainly because I really loved.

Quinny

On the website.

Dion

The scenic I love the the the characters together. They didn’t quite mesh as much and I felt like some of them were lost like I think Ben Grimm’s the thing.

Speaker 6

Hmm.

Dion

Totally kind of lost in the hole as much to do. No, I I didn’t get enough of that thing because one of the most important things I know about Ben Grimace, he’s the real heart of the team. And while that was great, like I loved, you know, uncles, you’ve got uncles going on there. I loved it. You know, Johnny and and Ben are totally down for, you know, being uncles. I just thought he got a little bit lost and I have big issues with some of the purple headed warrior of the lactose, which I’ll talk about in spoilers, but yeah, overall fun time. Not a long time.

Quinny

Fair enough, Pete. Number.

Peta

I’m going to say I’m going to say I’m going to say 76 because I do think that it was. Really well put together but. The the I mean I’ll have some stuff to say when we spoil some things. Yeah, I’ll try to keep it brief. Actually, there was one point I think I said to you guys that I’d nearly walked out of there with more tips. Than I started with.

Quinny

I’m still wanting to know how that works.

Peta

Luckily, luckily I I didn’t have to go full rage out on it.

Quinny

So I’m very impressed.

Peta

Umm. But yeah, it’s just those kinds of like those those plot points that that just didn’t quite work for me were just a little bit kind of too conveniently driving the plot. And I didn’t quite buy even in the world of the story, that really kind of helped me back from from. Losing any tips at all?

Quinny

So so number of tips is 2. Hmm but.

Peta

Ohh, also the young Kelly’s Uncanny Valley baby was distressed.

Quinny

Though apparently that they had a live baby on set 99% of the time.

Peta

In some shots, I was gonna say you, but you can tell the. Shots that aren’t, yeah.

Dion

Yeah, yeah. Babies don’t look like babies on screen. You gotta pay. They yeah.

Peta

I mean, either it was a fully uncanny valley baby or they were doing something to kind of make the baby look like it was looking, but there was something. Yeah. And whenever whenever Ben Grimm’s holding the baby, it’s like. That ain’t no real.

Jill

Baby, what number did you give it, Pete, 7676.

Dion

Yeah, we all know.

Quinny

And Dion, still at 70, isn’t.

Dion

He. Yes, I’m still there.

Quinny

Yeah, Dan, how many tips have you got left by?

Dion

The way? Yeah, just one tip.

Quinny

Wanted.

Jill

Only go off 1.

Dion

I only want it. Yeah, I mean, well. I mean, I don’t know. It’s moved. Maybe the **** moved like it. It’s not in the same place it started out, but it hasn’t gone completely off. It’s around the side visiting the armpit.

Jill

You can’t. But I gave Superman.

Quinny

I can probably look it up if you want.

Jill

Yeah.

Peta

See, I just kind of take it on a mood basis. It’s on a day by day basis.

Dion

Briefly.

Quinny

Hmm.

Dion

Phil was right. I mean, I think. One of the telling things long rated.

Peta

Never compare my ratings for one movie to another movie.

Quinny

Superman 65.

Speaker

Oh.

Dion

While while Jill is thinking, I mean it’s fair enough. Remember, she only saw it like 4 days ago and it feels like.

Jill

OK, here’s the weird thing though. Like after I watched Superman, I kind of wanted to see it again, but I don’t know if that was to try and enjoy it more or like to get the things that I didn’t really get about it. But this one I’m not really like in a rush to go back. To the movie for it.

Quinny

Hmm.

Jill

But. I did like it more than Superman. Then. I think I’m going to give it. 69.

Speaker 3

Nice.

Dion

Nice.

Jill

It was just a nice movie.

Quinny

Yeah, 69 and still 2 tips.

Peta

Yeah.

Dion

Quinny, what have you.

Quinny

Yeah. Got. I’m very similar to you know, I’m I’m probably I’m probably more in line with the pizza like. Yeah, 70. I’m going to go 77. I don’t know why. Yeah. Actually.

Peta

Just feels like a 77.

Speaker

Vibe.

Quinny

Like I I was a bit more warm on Superman whereas this. Like it’s it’s a perfectly fun, pleasant film. Like there’s nothing wrong with it, but it also just to me, felt like it. Was. Didn’t have much, particularly to say. Other than you know, wouldn’t it be nice if we could all work together and yeah. But also, maybe that’s what we needed at the moment is something that wasn’t too dangerous or whatever and. I don’t know. Yeah, it’s it’s 77 for me, but I just find it so.

Dion

Weird. We’ve, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve focused a lot on the non spoilery side and we’re running rapidly running out of time. So let’s go to the dinner clip to find out why they’re all such a nice blending together, then come back and see how much we. Can jam pack into spoil it section?

Peta

Leave if you haven’t seen it, because I’m going to spoil the very, very, very end of the film.

Speaker

Dion

Pete is thrown down. Here you go, alright?

Speaker 5

What are you doing? You mean what am? I. Doing and then you’re gonna ruin your appetite. I’m hungry, but never late for Sunday dinner. Should we wait?

Speaker

I guess you’re late. What I what do you?

Speaker 5

Mean. What do you mean? What do I mean?

Speaker

You’re late for dinner. Ohh yes we are. We’re late for. By single minute.

Speaker 5

Dinner. Yes, we were just just had to.

Speaker

Some aloe iodine on my shoulder. We got. Do his shoulder and.

Speaker 5

Why is that breakfast cereal in the dinner table? Why are you being?

Speaker

Weird. Not not being. Acting. Weird. Well, I’m doing that weird thing with your face, so. Oh, we don’t know what you’re talking about.

Speaker 5

Are you pregnant?

Speaker

Jimmy at the pregnant.

Speaker 5

Yes, yes.

Speaker

You know, I know he just cannot.

Speaker 1

That have you looked at your husband’s face?

Speaker

Keep his secret.

Speaker 5

What, really, yeah.

Speaker 2

What you are going to be the best mom? Oh, my God.

Speaker

And you are going. To be the best dad. Just kidding. You are out of your depth, but we. We’re going to be the best uncles ever. OK, we should eat.

Dion

Oh, there you go. Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing that we loved about the film. It’s really nice. Spoiler logos up, Pete. Destroy away. Oh, wait. Sorry. She has been there at the beginning. She will be there at the end. We here. Peter.

Quinny

ETA.

Peta

It’s not even my biggest complaint. It’s just that there was a moment at the end where I was like, I am going to have to have another full on rant about killing off female characters via self sacrifice and doing it to two female characters in one scene. UM.

Quinny

Thank God.

Peta

They recovered. They did recover. They recovered from it a bit and it didn’t really feel like it wasn’t going to recover. But for a moment there I was like, oh, oh, we are going to throw down.

Jill

I don’t believe you didn’t realise the magic baby was gonna save the day.

Speaker 3

Sacrifice.

Peta

I did. It did, but there was a part of me that was kind of like you better ******* not.

Dion

Yeah, yeah, there was a little bit of that was it? It’s like, don’t you ******* dare? Jesus Christ, he’s not a. Defibrillator. He’s a baby.

Jill

I mean, you don’t have a. Magic mcguffin. The whole time and then not? Yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Dion

True, although, but as as we all.

Peta

My biggest my my bigger complaints.

Dion

Know Franklin Richards. The monster.

Peta

My bigger complaints were were the iffy plot points like I’m like, correct me. I’m not a linguist, but I’m pretty sure you cannot translate an entire language with three words like I don’t. I don’t know that that’s possible. The Rosetta Stone had more than than than 3 words.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Hmm.

Dion

Now.

Peta

I I don’t see how I don’t see how.

Dion

Important to understand that this is in the Universe 8 to 8 where things can exist a little differently and they are not this bog standard and it was one of those.

Peta

Oh.

Speaker 6

But it’s it’s.

Jill

Things are like super.

Peta

It’s not the kind of plot point that you can explain away in your brain with that kind of reasoning like it’s not, but.

Dion

It has to be because that’s why I was. I was ******** about it and I yelled at Quinney until it came up to the thing. It’s like, but it’s not the real Galactus. And I’m like. Oh yeah, **** everything in this movie is not the real one from our universe. What? I’m getting angry at can easily be retconned by an executive who doesn’t like the feedback form.

Speaker

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Jill

But this is also a universe where Reed is a super genius that can solve teleportation and like, move a planet. That’s.

Speaker

Hmm.

Peta

It just like the jump between ohh, I’ve managed to do it to an egg.

Jill

Come on.

Peta

Let’s do it to a planet. Nothing will go wrong. I actually, I almost thought that, like, that’s where it was gonna get interesting. Like, that was gonna be this universe is snap moment when they, like, accidentally. Left half the people behind or something.

Quinny

That that’s what I that’s. What I was kinda hoping for like.

Jill

Yeah, there weren’t really many stakes.

Quinny

No, I ******* love the idea of them actually going *******. We’re gonna teleport the whole planet and.

Dion

And ******* it.

Quinny

Up what? Could something goes wrong like they they go to the wrong place or they find themselves in the ******* negative zone.

Jill

Like that ******* DC convergence where the two planets had to merge together.

Peta

Or and that’s the thing.

Dion

They do. How did they do faster than life travel, but. Not work out how radar. Exists stop the fact that Silver Surfer was coming to blow up all of their teleportation machines that that shaped.

Quinny

Me. She’s very fast.

Peta

And in your hand it just kind of looked like a regular size spaceship. I don’t know why they couldn’t have just muted it or something like it’s like felt like a lot of like ohh The thing is coming very slowly. This is the only thing we can think of.

Dion

That was my big ***** point that I will get my big boy britches on and have a whinge about. Galactus’s ******* world eating ship is just a giant space grinder and. And I didn’t like that because if you’re gonna go to, like the extent that they went to, which was really curvy, whole super 60s kind of thing.

Speaker

Right.

Dion

Make the spaceship ******* weird. Make it the giant machines that don’t. You don’t understand the purpose of what they do like. Have something that’s in there.

Speaker 3

Hmm.

Jill

Yeah. What happened to like the? Big straw that he just shoves in the. Planet and like sucks it up like.

Dion

Yeah, all of that. But I mean, just like have the weird like, Kirby was great for drawing like. Contraptions that you love on the contraption, and they don’t. You don’t know why or how they work, or they have like extra bits that go off and they crackle with energy that you don’t understand how it sort of goes. He didn’t care about making it look well built. He cared about making something cool and stupid. And then they put Galactus. Fair enough, looked pretty good, you know, for a big.

Quinny

I look I. Liked big man collectors. I was down.

Jill

For that, yeah. I didn’t like how his. Height fluctuated with convenience.

Peta

Say he wasn’t that big in the end. Though was he he? He looked.

Jill

The lost, yeah.

Dion

A bit of juice out the back of the tube and then he got a bit.

Quinny

Maybe.

Speaker 6

So then he went and shrunk a bit.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Quinny

OK, let’s go with that, yeah.

Jill

He’s like ohh, now he can fit in this big circle on the ground that he like, would have Godzilla crushed the moment ago.

Dion

Crush. Sure.

Peta

Confused if planet size or if Godzilla size.

Dion

Yeah. Also how would sue push if 2?

Quinny

Because her push is not based on size, it’s based on willpower.

Dion

No, but push, baby. Ohh no. OK, recover. Push, galactus. Big baby. Oh, no much.

Peta

Is is based on magic mummy power?

Quinny

Yeah, yes, yeah. Like that. That big kind of finale stuff. I was like when he started to climb back out. I was like, ohh. OK now.

Dion

No. Well.

Quinny

We’re gonna get some shoes.

Jill

Yeah, I was like. Oh ****, I jumped.

Quinny

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, ******* sweet. Great. OK, now we’re gonna really ******* now, now we’re gonna wrap it up, but Nope. That’s just that’s it. Cool. Everybody get home. I would love to have seen them do something real. ******* ballsy. I would have loved to have seen them lose the earth, you know? Yeah. So that that’s why this Fantastic Four, like instead of. Yeah, that’s the run like this.

Jill

On the run on the. Sleeper on.

Peta

I’m not sure that Marvel is doing its answer to the trolley problem properly.

Quinny

Why not teleport the ******* baby and the family to another end of the universe, or to a different ******* dimension or whatever?

Jill

Because they answered that in the slack with pocket holes does.

Speaker

Yeah. Yes.

Dion

I mean. I look I I I I really got that like I enjoyed the bit where they were like, no, this is it honestly. Like we we we may be the people that everyone looks up to on the Earth and that’s a bit problematic to put that much. Responsibility. On four people who were there, but at least they always did it with heart, honesty, integrity and overall admission of failure. To the world.

Speaker

Hmm.

Dion

Like it felt weird. Like they they come back and they’re like, oh, it’s time for press conference and like, but wait for press conference. Why? Why but why press conference? Oh, because wait, we are the family. We’re literally the only family in the world. Everyone looks to. Us for answers. You know, yeah, maybe he’s like, that’s the thing. He’s planet daddy. ****. He’s 2 daddies.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Peta

Yeah, he’s.

Dion

In this one.

Speaker

Yeah.

Peta

Said what the like ultimatum was like. You’d think that he would have kind of maybe wanted to not tell. Everyone that.

Speaker 3

Yes, yes.

Peta

But he was like, Nah. This is this is what happened. We’re back. Ohh no, you’re mad at.

Dion

And have baby.

Peta

Us why?

Quinny

Yeah, actually I did. I loved it. There was a moment, and it was that was like this thing. Oh, they really like the speech that Sue gave about the baby. I actually really loved the bit just a bit before that where, you know, the the emotional beat where Sue knows that Reed has decided that the only way to get out of this.

Dion

Would you be mad at us?

Quinny

Is by putting their child as bait. Like, yeah, that moment I was like, ohh, that’s that’s ******* hard because she knows Reed has thought about everything and has thought of the worst possible outcome and that that’s.

Jill

Yeah, he’s a catastrophize or. But like, that’s how he solves problems. Yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Dion

Yeah. And also don’t forget that Reed Richards in the expanded universe is. Quite possibly the. The the Marvel Universe’s worst supervillain. Yeah. When he goes bad, he goes real bad, cause he’s just kind of like cool. So there’s this outcome. We’re gonna do that anyway. Gotta go over here.

Quinny

Sometime.

Dion

And murder a few folk.

Jill

So many years ago, Cheese TV posed the question who would win in a fight, Superman or Apocalypse now? Karina has posed the question. Who would win Godzilla? Or galactus? Godzilla?

Dion

Ohh 100%.

Peta

I mean like just doesn’t have like laser.

Dion

100%.

Quinny

No, no. Or or amazing ******* like radioactive breath but.

Peta

Quinny

I get the impression that go like this.

Peta

Giant Sky laser what? And they tried that before they tried teleporting. Teleporting the entire.

Dion

Skybeam. No. Like they didn’t describe. And that was quite great. And they didn’t have bismuth like, but they still had a whole of no return, so you know.

Quinny

They didn’t do your sky beam. Do you mean? My calls fine.

Dion

Just a hole like I mean also I need to caveat that like which Godzilla and which. Practice, because if it’s like, yeah, if it’s 98, Godzilla and Cloud Galactus, money’s on Galactus.

Quinny

1998 Godzilla.

Jill

Yeah, galactus. Definitely over 98 Godzilla.

Quinny

Yeah. Yeah. Also, where was like.

Peta

The other end of this teleporting plan.

Dion

Ohh, as far as the far reaches.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Jill

Ohh just like.

Dion

Of the universe.

Peta

Yeah, yeah. But but when he teleported the eggs he had like.

Speaker 2

Woop woop.

Speaker

Yeah.

Quinny

Another ohh yeah.

Peta

A bridge and B bridge for. The egg to go to.

Dion

It’ll be like it’ll be like.

Speaker

Hi.

Dion

Teleporting it to Wodonga. Just far away.

Quinny

Yeah. Teleport to random place. We don’t know where.

Peta

That also distracted me. Like like, don’t you need another end to this teleport, right?

Quinny

The thing that would have been and and I kind of like that idea now because one of the things that the Fantastic Four do quite regularly interact with in the comics and everything is it’s not called the negative zone, it’s the.

Jill

Negative sign. It’s not the phantom zone.

Quinny

Yeah, it’s like the Phantom zone, but it’s it’s negative zone, and it’s kind of there’s a there’s a big bad guy called a nihilist that comes from there and stuff. And essentially it’s like the under of it’s it’s it’s the upside down.

Jill

It’s where they throw all the space junk.

Quinny

Where they throw all the space Chuck and I love the idea of them going. It would have been ******* great for them. To, you know, transport the planet and accidentally plonk it in the upside down. And yeah, you know, something like that. Something real ******* weird. Something real.

Jill

Yeah.

Speaker 1

I feel.

Dion

Crazy. I love that we were expecting.

Jill

And if they had done that before the third act, then how do you come back from that like, that would have been more interesting.

Dion

Hmm yeah.

Peta

Yeah, I also love that there was no further testing on larger objects.

Quinny

Back and then Galactus is still waiting.

Peta

Like we can do it to an egg, yeah.

Speaker 2

Let’s do it. This is where.

Jill

It’s basically the same thing, OK.

Peta

You wanna try to plan that planet? Yeah.

Speaker

Right.

Dion

Read what should we do? We should run away. It should run.

Speaker

It’s.

Dion

We’re gonna move the planet now. I love that. Also, I love that the the. Entire Earth just went yay. We’re going to do this still the OK, we’ll do that.

Jill

No, like, OK, you’re the smartest guy we. Trust you, go for it.

Quinny

I love that they also like so where? Where are you going to transport us? Doesn’t matter. Yeah. So like and also you kind of get.

Jill

Yeah. Does it orbit like a sun where we can, like, sustain life?

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Quinny

Yeah, we are. You just gonna dump us in the middle of black space and we’re all just gonna die?

Jill

But you did say it was gonna go to another solar system that was similar, but like how?

Peta

So if you could. Nearest. Yeah.

Jill

Did you find it? How did you know?

Peta

That yeah, that. But also. Do you know what dangers?

Jill

It and then you kind of disrupt that solar systems like orbital and gravity thing like that’s why solar systems work because they’re already set.

Peta

Are in that solar system.

Speaker

MHM.

Quinny

Also.

Peta

Yeah. Casper was like, yeah, he did say within 2% of the Goldilocks zone, but like within 2%.

Jill

Just popping into one.

Dion

2% is a massive.

Quinny

Yeah, that’s a ******* massive function. You know, considering everybody on the planet, millions of. Times. Wait, wait.

Dion

Wait, yeah, considering, what was it? Climate change needed to raise 2°. There’s your degrees and your percentage a little bit, which is like there’s some problems going on.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Quinny

Other things to think about in this universe, there are very definitely alien species like schellebelle and everything, but also you kind of get the impression that these Fantastic Four have probably run into those alien species already. They’re tootling around at faster than light. They’re not concerned by the idea that there is an alien out there like they’re like, Oh yeah, it’s just an alien. We’ll go and see what it is. Oh, it’s.

Dion

A big ******* alien. Yeah. Our first reaction. We should go visit that.

Jill

Yeah, they’re total ******* space Cowboys. They’re just.

Quinny

Exactly.

Jill

Like, yeah, whatever.

Quinny

So I love the idea that they’re just like, oh, we’ll move the planet and then going, oh, ****, I wonder who our new neighbors are going to.

Dion

Be ohh OK but still, you know can’t.

Jill

Cross that bridge when you get to it.

Dion

Can’t work out a car seat cause bumbling then.

Quinny

That that sequence when like we get it.

Speaker 6

Oh my God.

Jill

Yeah, 3 ******* scientists.

Dion

Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, you know, fridge, fridge, the only woman who is The Who has the better power of everyone because she can convince people to work together like her superpower is an invisibility.

Quinny

Get it? It’s funny, but.

Dion

It’s, you know, able to keep, like compassion is. It’s like a superpower and then, you know, Necromancer child, that’s scary as ****. And then idiot men who just don’t seem to be able to do what they should be doing.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

You know, actually, I think the real superhero is their secretary, who just has to deal with all the **** that they do and still keep them on track when they get back from their adventures so that they can give a press conference.

Quinny

Yeah, she was great. This this had sort of fly me to the moon vibes actually. Ohh yeah, you know.

Dion

Amazing. Yeah. Are you saying that they faked the Galactus attack?

Quinny

Would. Explain why, like you know, he looked like a.

Speaker 3

Dude in a suit.

Dion

Ohh dearie me. Look any anything else that that annoyed annoyed you about this Fantastic Four? It’s. Look, I feel it’s way better than the other three that attempts crack at it. Like, you know, if it’s unfair.

Quinny

Yeah.

Dion

To to hate, right?

Quinny

I mean.

Peta

Too. I also think that we’re all a little bit burnt out and just sad about life. It’s hard to get the same enjoyment out of things.

Speaker

Hmm.

Peta

That we used to.

Dion

Yeah, it’s true. Like it, honestly, like I’m. I’m down with it like.

Peta

It’s not a bad movie, it’s a it’s a good it’s. A good film? Not.

Jill

Yeah. No, it’s just, it’s just not wow.

Peta

You know, observe. Attached.

Dion

It’s not bad as it acts.

Peta

Systems.

Dion

That way.

Quinny

Yeah. See, I I never. No. I thought it was actually great. I actually do want to go back and rewatch those. Those 2005 Fantastic Four films, though.

Jill

Bad.

Speaker

Yeah.

Quinny

Because I do vaguely remember them being kind of fun.

Dion

Yeah, why not. Wait, can you could watch it because Ian Griffin sticks his hand out, and then someone very definitely with the Photoshop morph tool just pulls me on to screen. And you’re like, wait, that’s just that’s just distorting. Oh, right. OK.

Jill

Yeah, they were. They’re so stupid. They right?

Dion

You’ve just got.

Jill

I did find myself reciting quotes as the movie was playing. It’s.

Speaker 6

It’s good.

Dion

Yeah.

Quinny

Sure.

Dion

Yeah. Anyway, well, that’s good. Thanks everyone for sticking around for the slightly extended Mr. Fantastic podcast. It’s it’s just we we extended to fill the hole that was needed.

Quinny

Yeah, I I do want to say this week I also watched something that I wasn’t expecting to watch, but was pleasantly and weirdly surprised by.

Dion

Buck.

Quinny

Happy Gilmore 2 ohh ****.

Peta

Ohh.

Quinny

Yeah. Yeah. It’s out on Netflix. It came out with very little fanfare and.

Dion

Did you love it? Was it wonderful? And did you feel every single nostalgic piece, or was it just like, Oh my God, another? Adam Sandler film Yes to both. Cool.

Quinny

I would. I was pleasantly entertained by how completely 90s, you know, ******** comedy. It was, you know, if you enjoyed the first ******* fantastic, you enjoyed the first Happy Gilmore, you’ll probably get quite a lot of enjoyment out of happy. Anymore too, because it is. Nowhere near as **** as I was expecting. There you go. There’s there’s. There’s my.

Dion

Review not as bad as thought.

Quinny

Yeah, fun, laughed multiple.

Dion

Times you know that that was a movie dying for a sequel.

Jill

Well, I mean, do we need to go on?

Quinny

Yeah.

Jill

About how Hollywood is. Playing it safe and only making sequels.

Dion

Yeah, look, Speaking of sequels, next month we have lots of sequel artists coming out. We have the naked gun continuation 44 and 1/4.

Speaker 6

No.

Jill

Is it a sequel or?

Dion

Nobody 2. Do you remember nobody? That was a pretty fun one.

Quinny

I like nobody. Nobody was fun.

Dion

Yeah. Who else have we? What else? Have we got coming up?

Peta

I know what you did summer 2 decades ago.

Jill

Ohh yeah.

Dion

Yeah. What happened last summer? You’d you’d. Yeah.

Quinny

Just remember what happened.

Jill

I’m like, I don’t remember what happened last weekend.

Quinny

Yeah, yeah. Let alone last summer.

Jill

Last summer.

Dion

Yeah. Got a few few more things coming out, remember? Really. What else is coming out? I haven’t actually checked.

Quinny

Weapons and freaky of Friday, I think he’s. Coming out God.

Dion

Freaky Friday? Yeah, Speaking of sequels.

Jill

Sequel sequel.

Dion

Yeah. And who says Hollywood’s dead and has no content?

Quinny

Me.

Dion

No, 100% down for that. I still have a few things I’ve got to catch up on. I haven’t seen. I still didn’t see the old. Guard 2 yet.

Quinny

Nope. Me either.

Jill

Not going to bother.

Speaker

Ohh.

Dion

I still haven’t seen ballerina.

Jill

Ohh yeah yeah, say it.

Quinny

Watch that anything.

Dion

Yes, finished murderbot. I haven’t finished watching that.

Quinny

Yeah, I gotta finish the last episode. Of that, yeah, all.

Dion

That kind of stuff.

Peta

It was.

Dion

Great Foundation Season 3 still going for all of those sci-fi nerds.

Jill

Nah. OK, fine. Stick was good on Apple Plus.

Quinny

Yeah, we’ve got a bit of.

Jill

The Owen Wilson G1, that was cute.

Quinny

I’m watching.

Dion

I’m watching smoke, which is on Apple TV.

Quinny

Ohh yeah OK what do? You think of that and I’m not with it.

Dion

OK, I was like that.

Peta

I yeah, I started watching it and I haven’t, I haven’t gone back to it. I’m not in the Institute on Stan.

Dion

It’s a lot.

Speaker

Past.

Dion

OK, The Ponds institute.

Peta

Stephen King adaptation hits to her powers kidnapped by Shady government organization.

Quinny

Hmm. Yes, yeah, looks kind of.

Peta

But yeah, smoke. I don’t know. I like cool. I don’t know, love some Taron Egerton.

Quinny

Do do enjoy Taron Egerton.

Speaker

Yeah.

Dion

You a good point? I haven’t watched the strange new worlds predicando or twisted middle season 2.

Jill

I will wait for it. All to come out and then. Resub to paramount for a month and.

Quinny

Watch, right? Yeah, I. Yeah, I agree. But also I’m kind of like, **** paramount. Plus, cause they’re back of us.

Speaker

What’s next?

Jill

Yeah, that too. So let’s just hit the high seas, yeah.

Dion

But they’re they’re $1.5 billion poorer.

Speaker 6

Yeah, if you.

Dion

Yeah.

Jill

Yeah, there’s a new Apple Plus show coming out soon called Chief or Chiefs. It’s about the the.

Speaker

More.

Jill

Time prior to Captain Cook. Colonizing Hawaii and it’s got 10 Tamara Morrisons in it. Jason Momoa should be good. It’s like like spoken Hawaiian language.

Dion

Oh. Not selling me.

Jill

In it, which should be fun.

Dion

I love it. It’s checking people in there like it’s like, yeah, specific island. That’s fine. New Zealand is. Islander well.

Jill

I’m sure there’s a Hawaiian people acting in it. We’ll just have to find out later. But thank you. Yeah, that looks good. I also watched the last show girl on the weekend.

Dion

Hope so.

Quinny

Yeah. Yeah. Chief of war. What’s called Chief of war?

Dion

So I wonder if it would. OK.

Jill

And that was really nice. I’ve been wanting to see it, but I didn’t catch it at the cinema, so it’s on.

Dion

That was short.

Jill

Stan, if anyone wants to watch it.

Dion

That shot in Gypsy’s house. Hello, gypsy. Probably not. That’s. OK. But yeah, that was her house.

Jill

That’s cool. Yeah, it was nice.

Dion

Yeah.

Quinny

Well, there’s plenty of stuff out there to watch, and we’ll watch some of it. Also, we’ve got an entire month of programming programming that we’ve gotta. Work out what the. ****. We’re gonna do for you guys so.

Dion

Yes. Well, that’s it. We all know we’ll we’ll just do. We’ll do all the naked gun films. That’s it. You heard it here first. August is just the naked Gun Films 123 and the new one with Liam. Neeson.

Jill

Oh, surely you’re kidding.

Quinny

I am and surely surely that’s from a totally different series.

Jill

I know. But **** you. It’s a good line.

Quinny

Yeah. No, because somebody pulled me up on it. I made the same joke, and they’re like, that’s from airplane. I’m like.

Speaker

Yeah.

Speaker 6

Oh.

Quinny

**** you, it’s.

Speaker 2

Put.

Dion

No, that’s from flying high. Yeah. Oh. Oh, oh, joy. Yeah. Rascals.

Speaker 3

Surprised.

Dion

Thanks for everyone. Thank you. To to Jill and Peter and quitting doing you a great show about the Fantastic Four.

Speaker

Ohh thank you.

Quinny

We’re a pretty Fantastic Four, I reckon I.

Dion

Consider them more like the pretty good 4. Yeah.

Jill

Yeah.

Speaker 2

All right. We’re going to go.

Quinny

No.

Dion

Now, thank you, everyone. We’ll see you next. Also suggestions or anything if there’s anything that we should be watching, let us know please.

Speaker

Yeah. OK.

Speaker 2

I want to live in a world full of heroes. Now, sit here. Counting zeroes in a cubicle downtown. I want to look out my window, see him flying and swing faster, horizon staring out of face and talk a lot and have them teach me ways to exercise. Dear I’m, I’m so proud. The power girl be one of the guys. The muscles are from manifest and wall and teacher. I want to live in a world full like heroes, not cooking.

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