Let me ask you something...are you still guessing your way through sales?

In this episode of The Sales Machine, I sat down with someone who’s not just talked about scaling, he’s done it. Kyle Coleman was the 6th hire at Looker, helped grow that rocket ship to a $2.6B exit with Google, then led massive revenue growth at Clari. Now, he's the CMO at Copy.ai, the world’s first GTM AI platform.

We went deep on what it takes to stop shooting blind and start using data to drive real, predictable sales outcomes. No fluff. Just proven systems, frameworks, and mindset shifts.

We talked about how COVID forced sales teams to evolve, the balance between inbound and outbound, the power of account-based marketing, and why cold calling isn’t dead…it’s just lazy when done wrong.

If you’re a founder, a sales leader, or just someone hungry to grow revenue the smart way, this conversation’s for you.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

✅Don’t build a team, build a reputation. Internally and externally.

✅The best sales strategies? They’re borrowed, then customized.

✅Outbound still works, if your targeting is dialed in.

✅If your product doesn’t stand out, you’ll compete on price. Period.

✅Product-market fit is a non-negotiable. Nail it early.

✅Less than 10% of users engage with overly complex software, simplicity sells.

✅You don’t need more leads. You need better ones.

✅AI isn’t replacing reps, it’s supercharging them.

✅Cold calling’s alive. You just have to do it right.

✅Leadership is earned in the fire. Run toward it.

This isn’t a masterclass in theory. It’s a breakdown of what actually works, shared by someone who’s scaled some of the biggest GTM teams in tech today.

If you’re tired of winging it and ready to lead with precision, this episode is your blueprint.

Episode Highlights

"Most people are guessing. They don't know what's working and what's not." - Kyle Coleman

"The best salespeople don’t pitch—they solve." - John Rankins

"Cold calling isn’t dead. Bad cold calling is." - Kyle Coleman

"Sales and marketing aren’t separate—they’re different sides of the same coin." - John Rankins

"The best marketers think like sellers, and the best sellers think like marketers." - Kyle Coleman

"If you don’t have product-market fit, no sales tactic will save you." - John Rankins

"Inbound is great. But you can’t wait around hoping they find you." - Kyle Coleman

Chapters

(03:30) - The Journey to Looker and Sales Development

(05:04) - Scaling Looker: From Startup to Acquisition

(10:33) - Outbound vs Inbound: Finding the Right Balance

(15:09) - The Role of Advertising in Growth

(16:05) - Product-Market Fit and Technological Waves

(18:34) - Differentiation: The Key to Success

(20:00) - Simplifying Technology for Users

(21:00) - Transitioning from Looker to Clary

(24:01) - From Sales Development to Marketing Leadership

(28:00) - Embracing Challenges and Opportunities

(29:49) - The Dynamics of Hyper-Growth

(31:57) - The Role of a CMO in Modern Marketing

(34:03) - The Evolution of Account-Based Marketing

(39:08) - Identifying Market Signals for Success

(40:50) - The Future of AI in Sales and Marketing

Connect with Kyle Coleman

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyletcoleman/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/copy_ai

X: https://x.com/copy_ai

Website: https://www.copy.ai/author/kyle-coleman

Connect with John Rankins

Website: https://thesalesmachine.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheSalesMachineOfficial

Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thesalesmachine_official/

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/company/thesalesmachineofficial/

YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@JohnRankinsOfficial