Leadership is more than giving direction; it’s about sparking the conversations that move people forward. In this episode of the Human Capital Lab podcast, host Dr. Rich Douglas speaks with Nicola Brown, a specialist in dialogue and system relationships, about how leaders can “set the weather” for their teams, bring unspoken tensions into the open, and guide change in ways that preserve trust. The conversation moves from big-picture thinking to grounded examples, revealing how dialogue shapes team dynamics and long-term resilience.

00:00 Introduction to the Human Capital Lab Podcast

01:00 Meet Nicola Brown and her path from ecology to leadership development

03:21 Why dialogue is vital in leadership

06:13 Building trust and integrating new ideas into existing knowledge

08:36 Naming the “elephant in the room” in leadership conversations

10:15 Leading without all the answers and inviting team input

13:05 “Setting the weather” and pacing change for your team

14:45 Asking questions to build trust and agency

18:03 Moving from buy-in to commitment

20:50 Understanding motivations and self-leadership

23:00 How urgency and self-interest can undermine trust

25:00 Radical honesty and curiosity in leadership dialogue

26:14 Using dialogue to uncover team motivations

29:19 Why asking is more powerful than telling

31:00 Linking emotions to outcomes in teams

34:23 Empowering others without losing leadership power

36:16 Leading at the pace of the relationship

37:18 Using questions as a primary leadership tool

38:06 Group-based leadership development at Kokoro

39:36 Always ask the question

40:00 Closing reflections and contact information

Connect with the Guest, Nicola Brown;

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kokoro-change/
• Website: https://www.kokorochange.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rich-douglas-92b71b52/

• Website: https://humancapitallab.org/
• Interested in Being a Guest? https://humancapitallab.org/podcast/