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Military Hardware to Mental Health: Perceptual Control Theory with Warren Mansell, PhD

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What if everything you thought you knew about human behavior was backward? Imagine discovering that we don't actually control our behavior at all—instead, our behavior is merely the observable side effect of our brains controlling what we perceive.
Professor Warren Mansell, a clinical psychologist and expert in Perceptual Control Theory (PCT), takes us on a mind-expanding journey through this revolutionary framework developed by physicist William Powers. Drawing from control systems engineering, Powers recognized that living organisms operate fundamentally differently than most psychological theories suggest—we're not stimulus-response machines or prediction engines, but sophisticated control systems organizing our behavior to make our perceptions match our desired states.
The implications are profound. Psychological conflicts arise when different control systems within us fight over the same variable—like wanting to both remember and forget a traumatic memory. Consciousness itself emerges as a spotlight moving through our hierarchical control systems, helping resolve these conflicts through reorganization. This explains why activities that temporarily downregulate our habitual control patterns—from deep conversations to meditation to psychedelics—can lead to transformative insights.
For leaders and organizations, PCT offers a powerful lens for understanding human dynamics. By recognizing that people are controlling for different variables and experiencing different conflicts, we can create environments that help people explore what truly matters to them while aligning with collective goals.

Whether you're fascinated by psychology, leadership, conflict resolution, or simply understanding yourself better, this conversation will transform how you view human behavior and interaction. Ready to see the world through the lens of control?

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X: @warrenmansell

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Chapters

1. Military Hardware to Mental Health: Perceptual Control Theory with Warren Mansell, PhD (00:00:00)

2. Meet Professor Warren Mansell (00:01:52)

3. Origins of Perceptual Control Theory (00:04:06)

4. Core Concepts of PCT Explained (00:07:54)

5. Understanding Conflict and Consciousness (00:15:26)

6. How PCT Compares to OODA Loop (00:23:11)

7. Feedback Loops and Control Systems (00:35:17)

8. PCT in Leadership and Organizations (00:46:26)

9. PCT vs Free Energy Principle (00:58:15)

10. Understanding Purpose and Change (01:18:03)

11. Psychedelics, Meditation and Reorganization (01:23:34)

127 episodes

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What if everything you thought you knew about human behavior was backward? Imagine discovering that we don't actually control our behavior at all—instead, our behavior is merely the observable side effect of our brains controlling what we perceive.
Professor Warren Mansell, a clinical psychologist and expert in Perceptual Control Theory (PCT), takes us on a mind-expanding journey through this revolutionary framework developed by physicist William Powers. Drawing from control systems engineering, Powers recognized that living organisms operate fundamentally differently than most psychological theories suggest—we're not stimulus-response machines or prediction engines, but sophisticated control systems organizing our behavior to make our perceptions match our desired states.
The implications are profound. Psychological conflicts arise when different control systems within us fight over the same variable—like wanting to both remember and forget a traumatic memory. Consciousness itself emerges as a spotlight moving through our hierarchical control systems, helping resolve these conflicts through reorganization. This explains why activities that temporarily downregulate our habitual control patterns—from deep conversations to meditation to psychedelics—can lead to transformative insights.
For leaders and organizations, PCT offers a powerful lens for understanding human dynamics. By recognizing that people are controlling for different variables and experiencing different conflicts, we can create environments that help people explore what truly matters to them while aligning with collective goals.

Whether you're fascinated by psychology, leadership, conflict resolution, or simply understanding yourself better, this conversation will transform how you view human behavior and interaction. Ready to see the world through the lens of control?

Warren Mansell on Linkedin

X: @warrenmansell

NWO Intro with Boyd

March 25, 2025

Flow Learning Lab

Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast
Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation
Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at:
https://www.aglx.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsulting
https://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandrivera
https://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccrone
Stay in the Loop. Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes.
Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch:

The No Bell Podcast Episode 24
...

  continue reading

Chapters

1. Military Hardware to Mental Health: Perceptual Control Theory with Warren Mansell, PhD (00:00:00)

2. Meet Professor Warren Mansell (00:01:52)

3. Origins of Perceptual Control Theory (00:04:06)

4. Core Concepts of PCT Explained (00:07:54)

5. Understanding Conflict and Consciousness (00:15:26)

6. How PCT Compares to OODA Loop (00:23:11)

7. Feedback Loops and Control Systems (00:35:17)

8. PCT in Leadership and Organizations (00:46:26)

9. PCT vs Free Energy Principle (00:58:15)

10. Understanding Purpose and Change (01:18:03)

11. Psychedelics, Meditation and Reorganization (01:23:34)

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