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No Way Out

Mark McGrath and Brian "Ponch" Rivera

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No Way Out: The #1 Podcast on John Boyd’s OODA Loop, The Flow System, and Navigating UncertaintySponsored by AGLX — a global network powering adaptive leadership, enterprise agility, and resilient teams in complex, high-stakes environments.Home to the deepest explorations of Colonel John R. Boyd’s OODA Loop (Observe–Orient–Decide–Act), Destruction and Creation, Patterns of Conflict — and the official voice of The Flow System, the modern evolution of Boyd’s ideas into complex adaptive systems ...
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Welcome to the Future of Threat Intelligence podcast, where we explore the transformative shift from reactive detection to proactive threat management. Join us as we engage with top cybersecurity leaders and practitioners, uncovering strategies that empower organizations to anticipate and neutralize threats before they strike. Each episode is packed with actionable insights, helping you stay ahead of the curve and prepare for the trends and technologies shaping the future.
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P-car Talk is a passion project created by two Porschephiles about anything and everything Porsche. We want this to be for the community who love the crest from Stuttgart as much as we do. Along with all the events we attend together, we turn on the microphones to bring the latest happenings, experiences with our own cars, and make new P-car friends along the way. Join us for the ride of a lifetime!
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I’m Thommo — a cotton farmer, truckie, and storyteller from country NSW who loves digging into what drives people. On What Makes You Tick with Thommo, I sit down with mates, locals, and everyday legends to share memories, untold stories, and honest laughs. From the early days that shaped us to the moments that keep us moving, it’s all about finding out what really makes people tick. Whether it’s yarns about growing up, wild nights at a B&S, life on the land, or the hustle of chasing dreams, ...
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Western Promises

WesternPromises

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Beaumont, Paris, and Kevin lead you through the troubled wasteland of funkopops, disney adults, marvel movies, and bad opinions to the refreshing oasis of good opinions, firm convictions, mushy buffet-style ideology, and genuine camaraderie. Also just kidding if youre upset at anything or whatever.
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The Debrief with Jon Becker is a no-holds-barred conversational podcast on the leadership principles that govern the world’s elite tactical units. Featuring top military and law enforcement unit commanders from some of the most high-stakes fields, this podcast examines how to form and lead a highly effective team. After four decades spent working in tandem with top law enforcement and military units, Jon has gained invaluable lessons in leadership, teamwork, communication, and training. Now, ...
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John Coleman and friends interview leading executives, thought leaders and change agents. Embrace adhocracy. Social media: https://evolved.institute https://www.instagram.com/evolved.institute/ https://x.com/EvolvedInstitut https://www.threads.net/@evolved.institute https://www.tiktok.com/@orderlydisruption https://www.youtube.com/@evolvedinstitute
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Welcome to the Fighter Pilot and The CEO, the podcast brought to you by Airline Management Group Limited. This series is for leaders from all industries, backgrounds and experiences, helping you aviate, navigate and communicate your way through the turbulent world of leadership. Throughout the series you will hear from The Fighter Pilot, Wing Commander Andy Wright, who served in the Royal Air Force for 23 years AND The CEO, Peter Davies, who brings over 40 years of global aviation experience.
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Welcome to 'How To Start A Pressure Washing Business' with Aaron Parker. Join Aaron as he shares his experience and expertise in starting and running a successful pressure washing business. From equipment and techniques, to marketing and customer service, this podcast is your go-to guide for all things pressure washing. Aaron also interviews other industry experts to provide a well-rounded understanding of the pressure washing business. Tune in to learn how to start and grow your own pressur ...
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Send us a text Dive deep into the intersections of John Boyd's OODA loop, emergence, and the nature of reality in this mind-expanding episode of No Way Out. Hosts Ponch and Moose (Mark) welcome patent attorney and author Luiz von Paumgartten, whose book The Abstractionist's Papers (freely available at WelcomeToTheBlueSpace.com) reveals profound con…
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Michael Moore, CISO for the Secretary of State of Arizona's office, explains how he acts as a virtual CISO for all 15 counties by conducting physical security assessments at election facilities and providing real-time guidance during critical events. His approach treats surprise attacks as learning opportunities that should only work once, immediat…
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Send us a text Most investors want comfort. We make the case for discomfort. This conversation dives into trend following as a rule-based way to survive chaotic markets, mapped directly to John Boyd’s OODA Loop and the culture that made the Turtle Traders relentless. Instead of worshiping smooth curves and tidy narratives, we focus on process: cut …
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In this episode of P-car Talk, hosts Mike Geisert and Aaron Johnson break down the latest news from Stuttgart—Porsche is keeping combustion alive alongside the upcoming EV 718. What does this mean for the future of the GT4 and a potential RS variant? The hosts dig into the implications for enthusiasts who've been holding their breath. The conversat…
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Guest: Dr. Nathalie Pattyn In this episode, Jon sits down with Dr. Nathalie Pattyn, whose unique background spans medicine, psychology, research, and military operations. Dr. Pattyn discusses her unconventional career path from aspiring astronaut to emergency physician to tactical performance researcher, including her work in extreme environments l…
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Send us a text In this profound episode of No Way Out, hosts Moose and Ponch sit down with Dr. Mihaela Ulieru – robotics pioneer, AI ethics advisor, and governance expert – for a mind-expanding conversation that bridges military strategy, morality, technology, and consciousness. Drawing from her Romanian roots and personal experiences during the 19…
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Send us a text Explore the authentic OODA loop with Jon Becker on No Way Out Podcast – John Boyd's strategies for tactical leadership and decision making Fresh off Mark “Moose” McGrath’s viral appearance on The Debrief (where the internet lost its mind over authentic OODA), we flip the script: Jon Becker — CEO of Aardvark Tactical and host of the t…
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Send us a text What if the maps we’re all using are lying to us? In this episode we yank the curtain back and connect the dots most shows leave scattered: The “devouring mother” vs. “tyrannical father” archetypes now fighting for control of America’s soul How printed money and $38 trillion in debt quietly tax you every single day Why a household “p…
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In this episode, Elliot Weil, founder of OODA Motorsports, joins us to talk about his Porsche journey and how real-world track failures led to engineering breakthroughs. Elliot shares his ownership experience with a 997.2 RS, including a catastrophic engine failure that didn't just stop him—it pushed him to innovate. Rather than accepting the limit…
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John Boyd's OODA loop is widely referenced but fundamentally misunderstood. Mark McGrath reveals how the common circular diagram represents less than one percent of Boyd's work. The real framework centers on orientation—constantly updating mental models through destruction and creation. This conversation explores entropy, uncertainty, and incomplet…
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Send us a text A grain elevator turned upside down. A Chevy bumper cut in half. A Model T steering sector pulled from the yard. That’s not a lab; that’s the birth of the modern snowmobile—and the clearest proof that real creativity starts with what’s already in your hands. We sit down with Mitchell Johnson to trace Polaris’s arc from a small Minnes…
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Send us a text What if relief wasn’t months away, but days? We sit down with ER physician and Ember Health cofounder Dr. Nico Grundmann to unpack how IV ketamine delivers fast, measurable change for people living with depression, PTSD, and suicidal thoughts—especially veterans and first responders under relentless stress. No hype, no mystique: just…
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Send us a text Conor McGregor just put ibogaine and Ambio on the map with 5M+ views in 24 hours. Former Navy "TOPGUN" Mark “Slider” Keller (now an Ambio host who has guided 250+ veterans and first responders through treatment) joins his old OCS roommate Ponch to pull back the curtain on what really happens during the 5-day ibogaine + 5-MeO-DMT prog…
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Send us a text Bubbles don’t start with hype. They start with money that was never earned through prior production. Frank Shostak walks us through the entire chain: how warehouse receipts became fiat, how suspension of redemption became “monetary policy,” how lowering interest rates without prior savings fakes a signal that society has become more …
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In this episode, we're giving thanks to our people and diving into some major Porsche news that's shaking up the community. We kick things off with the all-new electric Cayenne—dropping November 20th with numbers that'll make your jaw drop. The top-tier Turbo model pumps out 1,193 hp with nearly the same torque figure, launching 0-60 in 2.3 seconds…
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A three-month homicide investigation in Washington State led to a suspect barricaded in a vehicle inside a garage. What began as a routine containment evolved into a seven-hour standoff, which suddenly escalated when the freed domestic violence victim returned to the residence and was taken hostage. Joel Anderson and Bob Shaw detail the tactical ch…
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Send us a text A roaring flyover sets the tone for a fast, high-stakes conversation: how do we turn clean drills into game-winning decisions? We sit down with Coach David Cochrane to map the OODA loop—Observe, Orient, Decide, Act—onto basketball in a way that’s practical, challenging, and laser-focused on transfer. Forget perfect lines and cone cho…
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In this episode, we're giving thanks to our people and diving into some fresh Porsche news and builds that caught our attention. We kick things off with the Kelly Moss GT4R build that turned heads at SEMA—this rebodied GT4 Club Sport features carbon fiber everywhere, wider wheels, a titanium exhaust, and what looks like 911 headlights. Is this the …
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Send us a text What if thought has shape—and that shape guides what we notice, believe, and decide? In this mind-expanding episode of No Way Out Podcast, Romanian researcher Tib Roibu unveils Polynon Theory—a revolutionary geometric framework where consciousness is primary, cognition is measurable spatial unfolding, and every polynon vertex = pure …
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In this episode, we tackle some heavy news coming out of Stuttgart that's got the Porsche world talking. We break down Porsche's projected $1.1 billion quarterly loss—what led to this, the leadership shakeup with Michael Leithers taking over as CEO, and what a potential "sleepy era" could mean for production and the models we love. We discuss the c…
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In September of 2021 a suspect involved in a carjacking and attempted homicide led police in a vehicle pursuit that ended in a car crash in Farmington Utah. The suspect fled on foot across Interstate 15 into a residential neighborhood prompting patrol officers to establish a perimeter and begin a search with a K9 unit. During the search a single gu…
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Send us a text Rob Gray, PhD on Constraints-Led Approach (CLA) in Sports Coaching Dive deep into Col. John Boyd’s OODA Loop through the Constraints Led Approach (CLA) with Rob Gray (Arizona State University, Perception-Action Podcast). Discover how ecological dynamics, feedback, and adaptive training create flow states and elite performance in spor…
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In this episode, we recap an incredible run of events with our community. We dive into Targa Carolina—how the 993 performed, trailering logistics, and what's next for the car. Then we discuss the unforgettable Luft gathering, from the Durham highlights and that badass IROC race car to Charles' phenomenal pre-party at a local speed shop that proved …
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Send us a text 🎖️ **Royal Marine Commando Ben Ford** (software engineer, Haskell/category theory) joins *No Way Out* to expose the **OODA loop myth** most AI devs still believe. 🔥 **Agentic AI runs John Boyd’s *real* OODA** — not the linear "observe-orient-decide-act" cartoon. 🔴 **LLMs are evolutionary dead-ends**: text-in, text-out, no destruction…
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My guest today is Dr. Jenny Prohaska, a clinical psychologist who has spent her career on the front lines of trauma and high-stakes performance. Jenny trained in neuro -rehabilitation psychology at the University of Kansas Medical Center, working with patients and staff in trauma, ICU, and burn units, where she built her expertise in how the brain …
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Send us a text Momentum favors those who move first. We sit down with Lou Hayes to trace how real-time crime centers (RTCC) rooftop drones, and secure collaboration tools are compressing response times from minutes to seconds—and what that means on the street where handcuffs still close the loop. Lou explains how small suburbs in Chicagoland connec…
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Send us a text Ponch and Moose connect with Brent Sadler, a retired U.S. Navy Captain and Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, discussing maritime strategy, U.S.-China relations, and naval power in the Indo-Pacific. Sadler reflects on his collaboration with Ponch at PACOM (now INDOPACOM) from 2012-2015, where they shifted from linear, phase-ba…
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Send us a text 🌐 **Spatial Web + Active Inference = Intelligent Planet** Dan Mapes (Versus AI, Spatial Web Foundation) joins *No Way Out* to **destroy LLM myths** and reveal **FEP-powered 3D web** What if the web didn’t just host pages—it hosted intelligence? We sit down with Dan Mapes, director of the Spatial Web Foundation and co-founder of Verse…
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Send us a text \A Marine who grew up in Pakistan and rose through the Corps brings a view you do not get in a briefing book. LtCol Asad “Genghis” Khan, USMC (ret) talks straight about war, culture, and the cost of bad decisions. No polish. No excuses. Orientation wins, always. Buy the Book: Betrayal of Command: My Marine Corps Journey Through War, …
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On October 12th, 2020, Bakersfield police responded to a hospital on a domestic violence call to a female who had been hit in the head with a hammer by her ex-husband. When patrol officers arrived at the suspect's house, the male suspect exited the home, screaming at police and threw an improvised explosive device at officers. Negotiations with the…
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Send us a text The myths are seductive: a Top Gun fighter pilot invents the OODA loop from the cockpit of his F-86 and spends the rest of his life proving it. The truth is better—and far more useful. We sit down with Ian Brown to explore Snowmobiles and Grand Ideals, a new Marine Corps University Press publication that explores John Boyd’s recorded…
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In Part One, Thommo sits down with Marko, a former professional water polo player from Serbia who packed up his life and moved to Australia — with next to no research and a whole lot of guts. Marko opens up about what life was really like growing up in Serbia — from getting the odd smack from teachers at school (which was still a thing back then), …
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