Andrew Southworth, Matt Bacon, Dustin Boyer, and Jesse Cannon discuss the growing trend of artists pulling their music from Spotify due to concerns over ethical practices and poor compensation, sparked in part by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard's departure from the platform. The conversation quickly expands into a broader critique of streaming economics, label contracts, undervalued digital services, and the challenges of artist sustainability in a capitalist system. Later, Matt interviews Scotty from Tankcrimes Records about his journey from DIY punk shows in San Francisco to running a successful indie label. Their discussion highlights the realities of music entrepreneurship, artist development on a budget, and the balance between artistic integrity and market strategies. Overall, the episode provides an insightful look at the mechanics of the modern music industry from both creative and business perspectives.

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