In this episode 105 we chat with Drs. Katina Sawyer and Patricia Grabarek, co-authors of Leading for Wellness, to unpack what it means to be a “generator” versus an “extinguisher” in leadership. We explore how person-centered planning, authentic leadership, and microcultures can foster thriving teams—even in toxic organizations. Learn how real-world interviews shaped their framework, and get actionable insights on how to “fire your work self,” respect boundaries, and lead with empathy. Whether you're a frontline manager or a C-suite exec, this episode offers a roadmap to healthier, more human workplaces.

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