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Episode 289 | Guest: Jim Robb, Vice President of Alliances at Numbers USA

Immigration is one of America’s most polarizing debates—but what happens when lifelong political opponents choose conversation over combat?

Wilk Wilkinson sits down with Jim Robb of Numbers USA to discuss his organization’s collaboration with Braver Angels on the Citizens Commission on Immigration.

Together they explore:
✅ How employer exploitation drives illegal labor markets
✅ Why “jobs Americans won’t do” is a myth
✅ The bipartisan framework behind the Citizens Commission on Immigration
✅ The power of persuasion in rebuilding trust and reform

Listen as two bridge-builders tackle one of America’s toughest issues—showing that common ground is still within reach.

🔗 Learn more about and connect with Jim Robb by checking out the full show notes for this episode at DerateTheHate.com.

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