Does the Bible Affirm LGB Relationships? Interview with Matthew Vines (Part 1)

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Matthew Vines is here to discuss the revised and expanded edition of his influential book God and the Gay Christian, marking eleven years since its initial release. The book sent shockwaves through evangelical Christianity and remains a powerful and compelling case for an affirming reading of the Bible for those who want to hold onto biblical authority (if you're counting, that's exactly one of the hosts of this podcast).
Matthew shares the backstory behind the book, including how he took a semester off from Harvard to come out to his parents and how he spent months studying the Bible and reading ex-gay literature with his dad. That process ultimately changed his dad's mind and started the trajectory to this book.
The heart of our conversation concerns Matthew's case for reading the Bible in an affirming way. He draws a fascinating parallel with how Christians approached biblical prohibitions against charging interest (usury) for 1,500 years—until John Calvin recognized that while Scripture categorically condemned the practice, its underlying moral logic was about protecting the vulnerable from exploitation. Similarly, Matthew argues, we must understand what same-sex behavior meant in ancient times before we can draw parallels to current practices and understandings.
Matthew is articulate and thoughtful and approaches the issue with a great respect for the Bible and for his interlocutors. (The new edition of the book includes new sections responding to some of his critics!)
This conversation ran so deep that we had to split it into two episodes! Stay tuned for Part 2.

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Chapters

1. Introduction to Matthew Vines (00:00:00)

2. Matthew's Conservative Church Background (00:04:07)

3. Coming Out and Biblical Study (00:10:06)

4. Parallels Between Usury and Same-Sex Relations (00:17:23)

5. Same-Sex Behavior in an Ancient Context (00:29:01)

6. Understanding Sexual Orientation Historically (00:36:48)

7. Thinking Beyond Ancient Hierarchies (00:47:42)

8. Conclusion and Preview of Part Two (00:54:14)

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