Master the best of what other people have already figured out. Each week, I learn from the best so you can apply their insights to your life. No fluff, no filler, just timeless conversations that make you smarter. Including guests like Naval Ravikant, Dr Andrew Huberman, Tobi Lutke, Patrick Collison, Bill Belichick, Bruce Flatt, Daniel Kahneman, Codie Sanchez, Ryan Holiday, Esther Perel, and more. Our Outliers series features: Anna Wintour, James Dyson, Estee Lauder, Henry Singleton, and mor ...
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John Andrews And David Harvey Podcasts
A Podcast about the Bible Every two weeks, from two different countries, the two hosts of the Two Texts podcast pick two biblical texts to talk about. Each episode we pick one text to talk about, which invariably leads to us talking about two texts and often many more. Dr John Andrews and Dr David Harvey share a mutual fascination with the Bible. Simple yet complex; ancient yet relevant; challenging yet comforting. But one thing that fascinates them consistently is that, like a kaleidoscope, ...
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An adaptation by Alan Plater of George Mackay Brown’s novel. An audio play performed by Orkney’s St Magnus Players. Directed by Penny Aberdein with music by John Gray. Four episodes. Episode 1 release: 10 January 2025, then weekly. Greenvoe centres on the fate of a traditional Orkney village on the mythical island of Hellya. The natural rhythms of Orkney life are shattered when a mysterious external company, Black Star, suddenly arrives to buy out the islanders and displace them from their h ...
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Australian rugby once had $40 million in the bank. Crowds over 100,000. TV audiences of 3 million. Today the Wallabies have sunk to their lowest world ranking ever. Off the field rugby is a "war zone" with a $20 million deficit last year alone. The Breakdown is a gripping podcast investigation from The Australian, exploring just how far "the game they play in heaven" has fallen - and why. Jessica Halloran and Claire Harvey have interviewed everyone from ex-PMs and billionaires to Wallabies l ...
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Ed Stack: Lessons from Dick’s Sporting Goods [Outliers]
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1:20:14Ed Stack built Dick’s Sporting Goods from a struggling family store into an empire of more than 800 stores and billions in sales. Along the way he nearly lost everything. Multiple times. This episode is the story of what he did, how he did it, and the lessons you can learn. ----- Chapters: (00:00) Introduction (02:48) Part 1: A Cookie Jar and a Cag…
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When Sailors Pray and Prophets Sleep | Jonah Beyond the Whale 9
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35:37Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David begin their close reading of Jonah 1:4–16, exploring the storm at sea, the irony of the prophet asleep while Gentile sailors pray, and the echoes of God’s call in the captain’s words. Along the way, the…
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Lulu Cheng Meservey: How To Build A Cult
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1:49:21Lulu Cheng Meservey is one of the sharpest minds in communications and strategy. She has helped some of the best leaders through their hardest moments.We talk about why trust and conviction are contagious, how to win attention in a noisy world, and how to handle attacks without losing ground.-----About Lulu:Having been CCO and EVP of Corporate Affa…
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Fred Smith: The Story of FedEx [Outliers]
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52:10Fred Smith founded FedEx on an idea everyone told him would fail and built it into an $88 billion empire that changed how the world moves. In this episode, we dive into how he built FedEx and the lessons he learned along the way. This story proves that impossible is just another word for opportunity. ----- Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (03:36) P…
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Great God, Great City (& Great Fish) | Jonah Beyond the Whale 8
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31:17Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David explore Jonah’s selective quotation of Exodus 34 and what it reveals about God’s faithfulness and Jonah’s resistance. We reflect on how God’s steadfast love endures for a thousand generations, the signi…
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Quoting God to Himself | Jonah Beyond the Whale 7
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34:57Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David linger over Exodus 34 and Jonah’s audacious quotation of God’s own words back to Him. We explore how God’s self-description—compassionate, gracious, slow to anger, abounding in loving kindness and faith…
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Benedict Evans: The Patterns Everyone Else Misses
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1:13:24Benedict Evans has been calling tech shifts for decades. Now he says forget the hype: AI isn't the new electricity. It's the biggest change since the iPhone, and that's plenty big enough. We talk about why everyone gets platform shifts wrong, where Google's actually vulnerable, and what real people do with AI when nobody's watching. Evans sees patt…
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Small Town Billionaire: How John Bragg Built 3 Empires [Outliers]
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1:08:00One man controls half the world's wild blueberries, built North America's largest private telecom, and did it all without ever leaving his hometown of 1,100 people. In this episode, we decode the counterintuitive playbook of patient capital, rural advantage, and why Bragg's refusal to sell a single share made him unstoppable. My interview with John…
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The Disappointed Prophet | Jonah Beyond the Whale 6
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32:24Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David turn to Jonah chapter 4 and uncover the prophet’s real reason for running. We explore Jonah’s audacious confrontation with God, his quoting of Exodus 34 back to the Lord, and the clash between Jonah’s w…
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Everything Obeys, Except Jonah | Jonah Beyond the Whale 5
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33:56Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David trace Jonah’s desperate flight to Tarshish and the irony that everything in creation obeys God—except the prophet. We explore themes of Eden and Babylon, the reach of God’s presence in Psalm 139, and ho…
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The Science of Lasting Love with Dr. Sue Johnson
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2:10:25This conversation will change how you handle your relationship starting tonight. The late Dr. Sue Johnson basically gave me a cheat code for relationships that not only last but amplify. She breaks down the real signals to look for in a partner. Why people actually cheat (not what you think) and how to spot it coming a mile away. Plus she offers a …
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Sol Price: The Retail Legend Who Taught Bezos & Walmart Their Secret Playbook [Outliers]
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58:17The most influential retailer you’ve never heard of. How Sol Price invented the warehouse club and a philosophy that still runs Costco and Amazon. Have you ever wondered why you can still buy a hot dog and soda for $1.50 today at Costco? We can thank Sol Price for that. To him, keeping promises to customers mattered more than profit margins. Sam Wa…
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Get up and...Flee? | Jonah Beyond the Whale 4
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30:32Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David reflect on the contrast between Jonah and the other prophets of scripture. We explore the literary and theological weight of Jonah 1:2–3, where the familiar prophetic pattern is disrupted by Jonah’s def…
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At Odds with a Consistent God | Jonah Beyond the Whale 3
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36:59Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David reflect on Jonah's political backstory, the uncomfortable tensions between prosperity and justice, and the God who refuses to give up. We explore Jonah's earlier prophetic role in 2 Kings, the contradic…
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Build the system behind the system. Flexport founder Ryan Petersen shows how to turn messy, multi‑party operations into a simple, scalable system that compounds growth without sacrificing trust. He explains: The iPhone clue: using public shipping data to predict launches—and create pull from zero Retention is destiny: the equilibrium math that caps…
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Katharine Graham: The Woman Who Took Down a President [Outliers]
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57:36When Katharine Graham took over the Washington Post in 1963, she was a shy socialite who'd never run anything. By retirement, she'd taken down a president, ended the most violent strike in a generation, and built one of the best-performing companies in American history. Graham had no training, no experience, not even confidence. Just a newspaper bl…
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Jesus and Jonah | Jonah Beyond the Whale 2
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39:21Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David explore Jesus’ own references to Jonah in Matthew 12 and Luke 11. We reflect on Jonah’s ironic preaching, his begrudging obedience, and the surprising repentance of Nineveh. Jesus knew Jonah’s story int…
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Daniel Kahneman: Algorithms Make Better Decisions Than You
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1:12:52Daniel Kahneman won the Nobel Prize for proving we're not as rational as we think. In this timeless conversation we discuss how to think clearly in a world full of noise, the invisible forces that cloud our judgement, and why more information doesn't equal better thinking. Kahneman also reveals the mental model he discovered at 22 that still guides…
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Introducing Jonah | Jonah Beyond the Whale 1
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44:25Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David begin season 5 about Jonah by looking past the great fish and into the depths of this brief but bold prophetic book. We explore how Jonah invites readers to ask better questions, pay attention to the te…
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Les Schwab: Why Real Ownership Outperforms Experience, Capital, and Credentials [Outliers]
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58:42They weren’t employees. They were partners. Les Schwab didn’t build a company. He built a culture. This episode reveals how one small-town tire dealer scaled to $3 billion by turning customers into evangelists and employees into owners. Somewhere between changing his first flat tire and opening his 410th Les Schwab Tire Center, Les discovered somet…
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Harley Finkelstein: You Must Requalify for Your Role, Every Year
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1:47:56Shopify’s Harley Finkelstein reveals the one standard that actually scales your career and your family. Harley shares why stepping down as COO was his hardest choice, the family motto that guides his daughters, and what makes someone good at storytelling. They discuss AI's real advantage, the calendar system that keeps him accountable, and how he m…
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Final Thoughts on Acts (for now) | Disruptive Presence 146
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32:49Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David wrap up the 144 episodes of the Acts series. Thanks for listening with us. We're excited about our next series which is coming soon. Episode 203 of the Two Texts Podcast | Disruptive Presence 146 If you…
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Jimmy Pattison: Building a $16B Empire Without Connections, Capital, or Credentials [Outliers]
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1:11:12Jimmy Pattison still runs his $16 billion empire personally at 96 years old. He’s built The Pattison Group over the last 63 years without outside capital or a college degree. He owns 100% of car dealerships, grocery stores, billboards, radio stations and even Ripley’s Believe It or Not—with a philosophy of: "No partners, no shareholders, no relativ…
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Looking Back on Three Years of Acts | Disruptive Presence 145
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32:17Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David reflect upon the three year journey through the book of Acts (as we prepare behind the scenes for the next series. Episode 202 of the Two Texts Podcast | Disruptive Presence 145 If you want to get in to…
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Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There
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1:34:38On her first day as CEO of PepsiCo, Indra Nooyi fired her general counsel. Then rehired him before dinner. It wasn’t a stunt. It was a signal. She ran a $200 billion empire the same way she ran her life: with surgical precision, uncompromising standards, and an allergy to corporate theater. But here's what separates this conversation from every oth…
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Acts Ends. The Story Doesn’t. (& Neither Does Two Texts) | Disruptive Presence 144
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32:45Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David, after 144 episodes, reach the final words of Acts and reflect on boldness, hospitality, and the Spirit’s unhindered work in ordinary life. We talk about the end without an amen, the welcome of Paul’s r…
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The job was editor-in-chief. The goal was to become the platform. And she did. Once she made it to the top, she didn’t just edit Vogue. She reinvented the power structures beneath it. This episode unpacks how a British girl who couldn’t type built the most bulletproof career in media, survived five decades of disruption, and made herself indispensa…
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From Isaiah to Rome | Disruptive Presence 142 (Two Texts Episode 200!!!)
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36:45Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David close in on the final sentences of Acts, tracing Paul’s faithful witness in Rome. We reflect on the recurring themes of hearing and not hearing, of scripture and Spirit, and of the Church’s ongoing voca…
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Netflix Founder Reed Hastings on Scaling High-Trust Culture & Bold Judgment
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1:10:25How do you build a high-performance culture without turning your company into the Hunger Games? Reed Hastings, co-founder and former CEO of Netflix, shares lessons from a career spent rewriting the rules—from severance as a management tool to “big-hearted champions who pick up the trash.” In this episode, he reveals how Netflix scaled trust, made b…
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Rome Sweet Rome | Disruptive Presence 142
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36:50Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David marvel at Paul’s careful diplomacy in Rome, reflect on his insistence that he’s not abandoning his roots, and explore what it means to be bound for the hope of Israel. Along the way, they wrestle with p…
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Harvey Firestone: Men and Rubber [Outliers]
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1:22:47Harvey Firestone built one of America’s great industrial empires from scratch, transforming from a farm boy to Henry Ford’s key partner. This episode reveals timeless principles about building businesses through booms, busts, and technological disruptions. This episode is based on the biography Men and Rubber: The Story of Business. Check out The F…
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When (Almost) in Rome | Disruptive Presence 141
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38:41Drop us a text message to say hi and let us know what you think of the show. (Include your email if you’d like us to reply) In which John and David reflect on Paul’s journey to Rome, exploring how the gospel arrives carried by Roman ships and welcomed by unexpected Christian communities. We trace themes of tension, trust, hospitality, and divine pr…
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Bill Belichick: 8x Super Bowl Champion on Winning, Leadership, and Discipline
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1:13:23Eight Super Bowl rings. Six with the Patriots. And a mindset that goes far deeper than football. In this rare, wide-ranging conversation, Bill Belichick breaks down the invisible factors behind sustained excellence: discipline, preparation, and the mental edge that separates contenders from champions. He shares the surprising reason he kept Tom Bra…
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