Best Hosted By Matt Hall And Naomi Ward Produced By Emily Crosby And Kyra Kellawan Podcasts (2025)

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A Keynote Conversation: Fostering Brave Spaces and Curiosity with Claire Pedrick 41:35

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Welcome to the fourth series of the MSB podcast, now titled Interbeing. This season focuses on how coaching values can support school communities by encouraging inward reflection and outward, generative relationships. Inspired by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s concept of 'inter-being', this series explores the interconnectedness of all things. We eng…

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Pedagogy & Assessment Round Table 39:46

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Many teachers want to make changes, but feel confined by the requirements of curricula and assessment. In this episode, our round table guests discuss their goals for the future of assessment, and how you can effect change even within the current system. Tia Court-Smith (she/her) - A love of learning and facilitating learning for all ages brought m…

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Pedagogy & Assessment, with Angeline Aow 34:12

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What are the structures that restrict change in education? How do we ensure that our students leave our schools with qualifications that reflect the breadth of their knowledge and skill? Our guest in this episode, Angeline Aow, has a wealth of experience in rethinking pedagogy and curriculum. She challenges our assumptions about what assessment can…

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Ecological Domain Round Table 34:05

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Saving the planet can seem a daunting and overwhelming task, so how do we communicate the scale of the problem with hope and excitement in our schools? In this episode, we’re joined by three educators to discuss the domain of ecology and nature with a futures focus. Kenny Peavey, originally from Georgia, USA, has over 23 years of experience teachin…

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The Ecological Domain, with Noan Fesnoux 31:09

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With the effects of climate change all around us, discussion of the future must involve ecological considerations, but our guest in this episode invites us to think beyond environmental concerns, and to treat education itself as ecology. In this discussion with Noan Fesnoux, we touch on reframing our expectations of consumption and our relationship…

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Political Economy Round Table Discussion 37:34

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How can we work with our students to understand their political and cultural identities in a world of constant change? In this episode, we’re joined by three educators to discuss the domain of political economy, identity, privilege and culture with a futures focus. Loretta Smith is an educator with more than 20 years of experience in international …

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The Domain of Political Economy, with Homa Tavanger 35:40

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Many international schools are working hard on confronting issues of inequality, justice and global politics. Involving the wider school community can be challenging without a guide or a framework to follow. Our guest in this episode, Homa Tavanger, poses some thoughtful questions to start the conversation. In this wide-ranging discussion, we talk …

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Technology Round Table Discussion 35:08

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How are the opportunities and challenges that come with the future of technology being felt in schools? This episode, we’re joined by three educators, Rachael Thrash, Yasmine Aslam-Hashmi and Rory Douglas, to discuss futures focussed technology in education. Rachael Thrash is the CEO and Co-Founder of Belong Hub, student leadership kits and service…

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The Technological Domain, with Tricia Friedman 35:00

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For many, contemplation of the technological domain, the massive swift growth of generative AI, for example, comes with fear and trepidation. So we’re delighted to be joined today by Tricia Friedman, who brings calm, inspiration and fun to the challenge of imagining future technologies. In this conversation we talk about not just generative AI, but…

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Exploring Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, with Patrick Alexander 1:05:20

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For our introduction to season 3, we’re delighted to be joined by Patrick Alexander from Oxford Brookes University. Over the summer we’ve been working with Patrick to research and create a new collaborative paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools. We intend this to be a provocation to leaders, to think differently about the futu…

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S2Ep13: How We Can Help Students To Become Global Citizens with Dee Lanier 35:36

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Dee Lanier, Lead Learning Designer at Lanier Learning and Education Coach for Samsung Education. Award winning TEDX speaker and author of Demarginalising Design, Dee Lanier is dedicated to co-designing equitable learning experiences for…

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S2Ep12: How To Just Be: Unfreezing Our Leadership Potential with Nicholas Janni 34:55

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Nicholas Janni, renowned speaker, coach, and co-founder / programme director at Matrix Development. Nicholas is also the author of Business Book of the Year 2023 Leader as Healer, a new paradigm for 21st Century leadership - an unflinch…

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S2Ep11: Nurturing The Cultural Richness Of International Schools with Shane Leaning 34:17

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Shane Leaning, international school leadership and organisational development coach, and creator and host of the Global Ed Leaders podcast for leaders shaping education on a global scale. They discuss cultural differences in communicati…

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S2Ep10: Respect, Reflection, And Culturally Responsive Leadership with Ryan Persaud 31:22

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Ryan Persaud, school leader at VERSO International School, a “school of the future” in Thailand. They discuss overcoming barriers and leading with courage, authenticity, and purpose; the importance of returning to the vision; and the po…

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S2Ep9: How To Truly Listen: Nurturing A 'Thinking Environment' with Candice Smith 35:53

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Candice Smith, meeting & workshop facilitator, coach, and founder of The Thinking Field, through which she helps leaders to “create cultures of collaboration, inclusion, belonging and innovation.” They discuss the responsibility we hav…

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S2Ep8: Creative & Connected Organisations: An Improv-able Approach with Stuart Reid 36:38

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Stuart Reid, founder and Executive Leadership Team Coach at Stuart Reid Consulting, through which he helps senior leaders overcome the challenges of their position. They discuss the importance of fun and laughter in creating organisati…

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S2Ep7: The Growing Importance Of Prioritising Wellbeing In Schools with Matthew Savage (part 2) 25:05

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Matthew Savage, speaker, trainer, coach, and founder of The Mona Lisa Effect®, through which Matthew explores the intersection between wellbeing and DEIJ in schools all around the world. In part 2 of their two-part series, they discuss …

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S2Ep6: Data-Driven Wellbeing In Schools: How To Nurture DEIJ with Matthew Savage (part 1) 29:14

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Matthew Savage, speaker, trainer, coach, and founder of The Mona Lisa Effect®, through which Matthew explores the intersection between wellbeing and DEIJ in schools all around the world. In part 1 of a fascinating and value-packed conve…

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S2Ep5: Empowering Young Voices: Faith, Peace & Feminism with St. Mary's School 36:28

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by experienced educator and Headmistress of St. Mary’s School in Cambridge, Charlotte Avery, as well as friends and colleagues Kate Latham, Director of Teaching and Learning, and Amina. They discuss the ideals at the heart of Mary Ward sch…

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S2Ep4: How We Can Create Systemic Kindness with Sam Isaacson 33:00

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by author, consultant, and founder of Coachtech Collective, Sam Isaacson. They discuss the crucial attributes great leaders have and how these impact the organisations they lead, the importance of emotional intelligence and embracing our v…

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S2Ep3: Helping Young People Find Their Path With Kyra Kellawan 40:53

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by high-school educator, career counsellor, and co-founder of Kokoro Careers, Kyra Kellawan. They discuss the importance of embracing uniqueness and individuality in all students and why we need to recognise generational changes in both ed…

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S2Ep1: An Introduction To Season 2: Organisational Health 11:10

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Principled is back! Welcome to Season 2 of the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better introduce their mission statement for an exciting second season. This time, we're exploring organisational health. What does it mean to create healthy systems? And how can we overcome the challenges currently faced by …

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S2Ep2: Language As A Catalyst with Pádraig O Tuama 35:32

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by renowned poet and theologian, Pádraig Ó Tuama. They're kicking off their exploration of systemic and organisational health from the perspective of a poet, discussing poetry as an unpredictable language event; the important secondary pur…

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Ep 17: A Look Back on Season 1 25:19

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall, Naomi Ward and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better sit down to look back on a successful first season of Principled. They reflect on various lightbulb moments, including why belonging is not always a positive thing; the power of story, ritual and language; and why active listening is so i…

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Ep16: Belonging And The Human Experience with Owen Eastwood 45:22

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to Owen Eastwood, performance coach and author of the Belonging: The Ancient Code Of Togetherness. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: the impact belonging has on our hormones, the link between resilience …

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Ep15 ARCHIVE: Mel Ellis Leading Belong In An International School 23:14

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better revisit a popular episode from Season 1 of Principled. Episode 2 featured Mel Ellis, Head of the Dulwich College Senior School in Singapore. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why a sense of belonging is seen …

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Ep14: Why Belonging Starts With The Self with Aisha Thomas 33:31

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to Aisha Thomas, Founder & Director of Representation Matters, who has dedicated her career to transforming the lack of racial diversity in education. They discuss how creating belonging starts with the self; why the question "do I belong?" will…

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Ep13 ARCHIVE: Doug Lemov (Teach Like a Champion) Creating Belonging in the Classroom 36:41

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better revisit a popular episode from Season 1 of Principled. Episode 6 featured author Doug Lemov, chatting about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion. Doug's analytical approach to effective teaching made a la…

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Ep12: Building a Unique Philosophy with Brett Girven 30:54

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to Brett Girven, Principal at The Arbor School, about their innovative approach to breaking free from the confines of traditional learning. They discuss how a collaborative relationship with teaching and nature can foster belonging in children; …

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Ep10: Global Belonging with d'Arcy Lunn 29:05

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In this episode of the Principled podcast, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to d'Arcy Lunn about the essence of global belonging. They discuss why d'Arcy draws so much inspiration, energy, and optimism from young people; how a sense of global citizenship can foster belonging; and how teaspoons of change can transform our world a…

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Ep9: Midway Musings 24:45

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In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better have a discussion between themselves about certain aspects of belonging. They discuss various topics, including: why a sense of belonging isn't necessarily born out of a fear of loneliness; how it can be beneficial to know yourself before joining a tribe; and Matt shares a wonderful p…

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Ep8 Julie Rees - Belonging in the Curriculum 28:34

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In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Julie Rees about belonging within the curriculum. They discuss various topics based on the theme of belonging, including: - How to welcome new and transferring students quickly and effectively by allowing them their own space - Why making students feel safe enough to express t…

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Ep7 Michael Cahill - Managing Endings 33:39

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Michael Cahill from Coaching Constellations about how to best manage the exit process. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why managing endings is crucial, not just to those directly involved, bu…

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Ep6: Doug Lemov (Teach Like a Champion) Creating Belonging in the Classroom 36:41

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Doug Lemov about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: how the rise of smartphones and social media has led to an…

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Ep5: Zahara Chowdhury: How Schools Should Be 30:43

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Founder of the School Should Be community, Zahara Chowdhury. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why leadership can be incredibly lonely, and the ways in which leaders can feel more connected; how to in…

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Ep4: Peace Building in Schools with Roy Leighton 30:58

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Roy Leighton. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why inclusion is so vital but belonging can potentially be dangerous - in a certain context; why he's always been fascinated by the work of Johan…

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Ep3: What Can A Folk Festival Teach Us about Belonging? 26:01

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Joe Heap, the Festival Director of the Towersey Festival. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why there is so much to learn about a sense of belonging from a long-running festival; the role that ancestr…

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Ep2: Leading Belonging in an International School 23:14

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Mel Ellis. They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: the role a curriculum plays in fostering a sense of identity; how to handle the process of a teacher arriving and leaving in a holistic way; and how wider …

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Ep1: Introduction to Principled 9:20

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Welcome to the Principled podcast. In this welcome episode, Matt Hall, Naomi Ward and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better give a fascinating introduction into themselves and their mission to highlight what matters most in the world of educational leadership. Gill explains why being around people who have had a vastly different lived experience can be…