A podcast from the ETEN Innovation Lab exploring acceleration in Bible translation. Tune in for experimentation, updates, and conversations about new methods and technologies advancing Scripture accessibility.
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Talking About Organizations is a conversational podcast where we talk about one book, journal article or idea per episode and try to understand it, its purpose and its impact. By joining us as we collectively tackle classic readings on organization theory, management science, organizational behavior, industrial psychology, organizational learning, culture, climate, leadership, public administration, and so many more! Subscribe to our feed and begin Talking About Organizations as we take on g ...
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132: AoM Special (Part 1) -- Multimodal Impact: Translating Academic Knowledge via Contextual, Collaborative, and Collectivist Modes
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46:37This month, we are presenting recordings of two events from the Academy of Management Annual Meeting 2025. The first event was Multimodal Impact: Translating Academic Knowledge via Contextual, Collaborative, and Collectivist Modes. This symposium brings together five presenters to explore diverse modes of translating academic expertise into practic…
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In this episode, we explore how emerging AI tools are reshaping software development, specifically for Bible translation. Facilitator Isabella Scarinzi and co-host Chris “Klappy” Klapp welcome Ian Lindsley from Unfolding Word to discuss his journey from skeptical observer to avid practitioner of AI-assisted coding. We unpack early doubts about trus…
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131: Commitment and Community -- Rosabeth Moss Kanter (Part 2)
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45:28In Part 2 of our episode on Kanter’s Commitment and Community, we examine in depth her conclusions about the distinction between “retreat” and “service” communities and why the former tends to fail while the latter shows greater chances of long-term success. However, we also debate on the meaning of “success” as being more nuanced that merely durat…
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131: Commitment and Community -- Rosabeth Moss Kanter (Part 1)
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43:18This month we return to the works of Rosabeth Moss Kanter, whose works on tokenism we explored way back in Episode 17. This time, we will discuss one of her better known books Commitment and Community: Commune and Utopias in Sociological Perspective that examines the origins and life cycle of numerous communes that sprang up in the US from the mid-…
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131: Commitment and Community -- Rosabeth Moss Kanter (summary of episode)
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4:31Coming soon! In our next episode, we will discuss Rosabeth Moss Kanter’s famous book Commitment and Community that examines the origins and life cycle of numerous communes that sprang up in the US from the mid-19th century to the 1960s. What drove people to start or join these communes? And then, what factors allowed some to survive for decades or …
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A Bible Translation Tool to Serve the Global Church
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40:51In this episode, we introduce Fluent, a new Bible translation tool designed to serve the global church. Hosts Joel Mathew and Chris Klapp ("Klappy") from the ETEN Innovation Lab, along with Communications Strategist Isabella Scarinzi, discuss the development of this free, open, and easy-to-use multimodal translation product suite that leverages int…
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130: Structure of Scientific Revolutions -- Thomas Kuhn (Part 2)
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45:36In Part 2 of the episode on Kuhn’s Structure of Scientific Revolutions, we bring the concepts to the present day. His essay uses examples mostly from the natural sciences, so we ponder over how well his concepts apply to the social sciences. Also, in Kuhn’s time, science was generally seen to be a good thing and scientific progress translated into …
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130: Structure of Scientific Revolutions -- Thomas Kuhn (Part 1)
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49:42For our 10th anniversary episode, we selected a modern classic that greatly informs science and research across many disciplines, including organization studies. Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions is a book often assigned to rising graduate students as a primer for entering the sciences. A culmination of Kuhn’s earlier works on t…
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130: Structure of Scientific Revolutions -- Thomas Kuhn (Summary of Episode)
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4:00Coming soon! For our 10th anniversary episode, we selected a modern classic that greatly informs science and research across many disciplines, including organization studies. Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions is a book often assigned to rising graduate students as a primer for entering the sciences.…
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10 years ago today, on October 13th, 2015, four rising scholars – Dmitrijs, Pedro, Miranda, and Ralph – launched the Talking About Organization Podcast with an episode on Frederic Taylor’s The Principles of Scientific Management. In this special, current-day cast members reflect on what we have done and what we would like to continue doing in the p…
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How WhatsApp Can Support Bible Translation
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40:51Can the world’s most popular chat app become part of the Bible translation process? In this episode of The Bible Translation Innovation Podcast, hosts Joel Mathew and Chris Klapp ("Klappy") of the ETEN Innovation Lab, along with ETEN Innovation Lab Communications Strategist Isabella Scarinzi, unpack how WhatsApp—used widely and often exclusively in…
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129: Socialization and Training -- The Private SNAFU Series (Part 2)
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44:18In Part 2 of the episode on the Private SNAFU video series, we recount the various trials and tribulations of developing training modules for organizational use. What kinds of media and approaches would be most effective and most efficient, given the increasing breadth and complexity of workplace rules and policies that need to be socialized among …
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129: Socialization and Training -- The Private SNAFU Series (Part 1)
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42:44Private SNAFU was a series of black-and-white animated shorts of three to five minutes in length recounting various misadventures of the title character as he goes to war. The purpose of the training videos was to socialize and reinforce the importance of adherence existing US Army policies and procedures and helping to introduce soldiers to potent…
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129: Socialization and Training -- The Private SNAFU Series (Summary of Episode)
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3:29For this year’s movie episode, we elected to take on a video series used during World War II to help socialize US Army rules and procedures among forces either deployed or getting ready to deploy. Private SNAFU was a series of black-and-white animated shorts of three to five minutesin length recounting various misadventures of the title character a…
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Why Innovation Matters in Bible Translation
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37:01In the inaugural episode of The Bible Translation Innovation Podcast, hosts Joel Mathew and Chris Klapp aka "Klappy" of the ETEN Innovation Lab are guided in discussion by ETEN Innovation Lab Communications Strategist Isabella Scarinzi on the role of innovation in Bible translation. Together, they explore the urgency of accelerating translation wor…
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128: Meaningfulness of Work -- Andrew Carton (Part 2)
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49:44In Part 2, we continue exploring the case study of NASA in the 1960s. Having discussed the strategies used by President Kennedy to inspire NASA’s members to the ultimate goal of putting a man on the moon by the end of the decade, it was then up to the members to connect their work activities (many of which had nothing directly to do with spacefligh…
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128: Meaningfulness of Work -- Andrew Carton (Part 1)
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46:46In this month’s episode, we examine a historical case study about how meaningfulness of work can be shaped by leaders’ actions. One frequently cited example of the solidarity felt among members of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) during the decade-long runup to the Apollo XI moon landing is the often-repeated—but apocryphal—…
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128: Meaningfulness of Work -- Andrew Carton (summary of episode)
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4:19Coming soon! We will discuss Drew Carton’s 2018 article “’I’m not mopping the floors, I’m putting a man on the moon’: How NASA leaders enhanced the meaningfulness of work by changing the meaning of work” from Administrative Science Quarterly that delves into the reality behind the myth of the highly motivated NASA janitor during the 1960s.…
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Bible Translation Innovation Podcast Trailer
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1:58Welcome to the Bible Translation Innovation Podcast! This show is brought to you by the ETEN Innovation Lab and hosted by Joel Matthew and Christopher “Klappy” Klapp. The conversation is facilitated by Isabella Scarinzi. Once a month, we are going to explore new methods and technologies that are advancing Bible translation worldwide. We'll discuss …
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127: The Problem of Embeddedness -- Mark Granovetter (Part 2)
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38:05In Part 2 of the episode on Mark Granovetter's 1985 paper, "Economic Action and Social Structure: The Problem of Embeddedness," we consider the meaning of embeddedness in contemporary practical situations and the significant body of research that followed forty years later. His framework provides a more nuanced and realistic explanation of economic…
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127: The Problem of Embeddedness -- Mark Granovetter (Part 1)
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46:49In this month’s episode, we discuss Mark Granovetter's 1985 paper, Economic Action and Social Structure: The Problem of Embeddedness. Granovetter's work provided a middle ground between two overly simplistic perspectives presented respectively by economists and sociologists-- the undersocialized view that treated individuals as isolated, purely rat…
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127: The Problem of Embeddedness -- Mark Granovetter (summary of episode)
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3:51Coming soon! We will discuss Mark Granovetter's 1985 paper, "Economic Action and Social Structure: The Problem of Embeddedness." He argued that economic behavior is not the product of isolated rational calculations, nor is it fully determined by social norms. Instead, individuals are embedded in a complex network of relationships that simultaneousl…
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126: Labor and Monopoly Capital -- Harry Braverman (Part 2)
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44:19In Part 2 of the episode on Harry Braverman’s book Labor and Monopoly Capital: The Degradation of Work in the 20th Century, we consider the half-century since its publication and how things turned out rather differently from Braverman’s predictions at the end of the book. Algorithmic management, deunionization, globalization, and advances in techno…
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126: Labor and Monopoly Capital -- Harry Braverman (Part 1)
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41:54In this month’s episode, we discuss Harry Braverman’s book Labor and Monopoly Capital: The Degradation of Work in the 20th Century. Along with his criticism of how work had been systematically deskilled over time, he was also highly critical of many of the seminal authors and schools of thought that he felt enabled this shift. Among his targets wer…
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126: Labor and Monopoly Capital -- Harry Braverman (Summary of Episode)
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3:59Coming soon! We will examine Harry Braverman’s 1974 book Labor and Monopoly Capital: The Degradation of Work in the 20th Century. It is considered a foundational text on labor relations and the systematic ways that work has been deskilled over time and why. How well have his arguments stood the test of time to the present day?…
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125: Institution and Action -- Steven Barley (Part 2)
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39:13In Part 2 of our episode on Barley, we conclude the discussion on the relationship that he drew among the institutionalized patterns of behavior in the hospitals, the actions that the radiologists and technologists undertook, and the subsequent changes to those patterns. How can we use these ideas to better understand work and technological change …
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125: Institution and Action -- Steven Barley (Part 1)
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54:04This month we discuss a foundational work by Steven Barley on the introduction of new technologies into established organizations. His study of the fielding of CT scanners in two hospitals showed how established organization structures and patterns of behavior influenced actions undertaken by radiologists and the new CT technologists, which in turn…
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125: Institution and Action -- Steven Barley (Summary of Episode)
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3:44Steven Barley’s career has produced considerable scholarship on meaningful work and change in organizations. This month’s episode will cover one of his earliest works on the introduction of CT scanners in two hospitals that greatly altered the structures of their respective radiology departments. Of interest was the story of how that restructuring …
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124: Postcolonial Theory -- Anshuman Prasad (Part 2)
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47:33In Part 2 of our episode on Prasad, we shift our attention to his 2003 book chapter titled “The gaze of the other: Postcolonial theory and organizational analysis” that synthesizes the foundational works of postcolonial theory and tie it to cross-cultural challenges faced by contemporary organizations. We also discuss the implications of the theory…
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124: Postcolonial Theory -- Anshuman Prasad (Part 1)
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46:20Anshuman Prasad (1954-2023) was a leading scholar and development of postcolonial theory and bringing it to the domain of management and organization studies. The theory strove to explain the significance influences and impacts that Western colonialism had on non-Western cultures and its implications for organizations located in non-Western setting…
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124: Postcolonial Theory -- Anshuman Prasad (Summary of Episode)
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3:24Coming soon! We will cover the works of Anshuman Prasad and his development of postcolonial theory and its use in organizational analysis. By examining the origins and spread of Western thought through the colonial period, he explains how much of the Western philosophies and epistemologies remain dominant and the cross-cultural challenges that this…
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123: Markets as Politics -- Neil Fligstein (Part 2)
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43:05This is Part 2 on our discussion of Fligstein’s 1996 article, “Markets as politics: A political-cultural approach to market institutions." Here we work our way through the 16 propositions” (or provocations as we would refer to them)and test them out from a contemporary view. Do they make sense in retrospect? Do they continue to lend themselves towa…
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123: Markets as Politics -- Neil Fligstein (Part 1)
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43:08Fligstein’s 1996 article, “Markets as politics: A political-cultural approach to market institutions,” was an important contribution to the field of economic sociology, countering the dominant neoclassical view of economics that failed to explain market behaviors in practice. He argued for an alternative paradigm – a “political-cultural” model that…
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123: Markets as Politics -- Neil Fligstein (Summary of Episode)
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3:43We will cover the economic sociology of Neil Fligstein, who countered the dominant 1990s-era neoclassical view of economics that failed to explain well various market behaviors being observed at the time. He argued for an alternative paradigm – a “political-cultural” model that suggested that the formation of markets was part of “state building” an…
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122: Cultivation and Curation of Professional Knowledge (Part 2)
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14:18We are launching the TAOP Resource Center! The Resource Center is a repository for entry-level scholars to learn more about “what’s out there.” What are the major fields of scholarship, tools of the trade, and phenomena of interest to researchers and practitioners alike. This release is an introduction to the structure of the Center and how to navi…
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122: Cultivation and Curation of Professional Knowledge (Part 1)
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43:05The Talking About Organizations Podcast website is more than just a host for great conversations. It is also a resource for rising scholars of organization theory and management science. And so, to launch our 10th year of podcasting and with 120+ episodes covering so many great classics of organization studies, we decided the website and the progra…
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121: Rhetoric vs. Reality -- Mark Zbaracki (Part 2)
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37:58In Part 2 on Zbaracki’s “The rhetoric and reality of Total Quality Management,” we look at contemporary examples of rhetoric-reality gaps. Not being confined to “business fads,” there are many other cases where threatened legitimacy of an organization can lead it to acting defensively and avoid public acknowledgement of significant problems. What c…
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121: Rhetoric vs. Reality -- Mark Zbaracki (Part 1)
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42:23This month we explore a renowned multiple-case study commonly assigned as foundational readings in organization studies programs. Mark Zbaracki’s “The rhetoric and reality of Total Quality Management” chronicled the development and introduction of Total Quality Management (TQM) into the corporate environment, only to find that in many cases its imp…
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121: Rhetoric vs. Reality -- Mark Zbaracki (Summary of Episode)
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3:46Coming soon! You might not have heard of Total Quality Management (TQM) but you no doubt have encountered pre-packaged performance improvement programs like it. What happens when the promises and rhetoric surrounding such a program exceed the realities of its implementation? Such is the subject of Mark Zbaracki’s “The rhetoric and reality of Total …
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120: Institutional Isomorphism -- DiMaggio & Powell (Part 2)
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46:38In Part 2 on DiMaggio & Powell’s “The Iron Cage Revisited: Institutional Isomorphism and Collective Rationality in Organizations,” we revisit the revisitation. 40 years following the article finds the world in the midst of the information age, while the article was still written in industrial times. Do the ideas still hold up, and might we consider…
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120: Institutional Isomorphism -- DiMaggio & Powell (Part 1)
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46:49In this episode, we discuss “The Iron Cage Revisited: Institutional Isomorphism and Collective Rationality in Organizations,” a ground breaking article by sociologists Paul DiMaggio and Walter Powell in 1983. The authors argued that the traditional views of why organizations tended to assimilate one another was not explained by the pursuit of ratio…
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120: Institutional Isomorphism -- DiMaggio & Powell (Summary of Episode)
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4:20Coming soon! We will tackle “The Iron Cage Revisited: Institutional Isomorphism and Collective Rationality in Organizations,” a ground breaking article by sociologists Paul DiMaggio and Walter Powell in 1983. They argued that the traditional views of why organizations tended to assimilate one another was not explained by the pursuit of rationality …
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119: Management & the Worker -- Roethlisberger & Dickson (Part 2)
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34:25The episode on Roethlisberger and Dickson concludes with a discussion of the contemporary meanings and importance of the Hawthorne studies. The authors concluded the book with the idea that executives should establish dedicated positions of leadership for mastering the human dimension of work in their firms and become experts in solving human probl…
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119: Management & the Worker -- Roethlisberger & Dickson (Part 1)
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43:34We return for another look at the Hawthorne Studies through Fritz Roethlisberger and William Dickson’s 1939 book Management and the Worker. The work chronicles five years of experiments that initially sought the optimal conditions for increased worker performance but evolved into an examination of the social controls that worker exercise over thems…
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119: Management & the Worker -- Roethlisberger & Dickson (Summary of Episode)
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4:36We return for another look at the Hawthorne Studies through Fritz Roethlisberger and William Dickson’s 1939 book Management and the Worker. The work chronicles five years of experiments that initially sought the optimal conditions for increased worker performance but evolved into an examination of the social controls that worker exercise over thems…
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118: Organizational Structures & Digital Technologies -- AoM 2024 Symposium (Part 2)
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32:40This is the second half of our presentation of asymposium titled “Design Choices: Examining the Interplay of OrganizationalStructure and Digital Technologies” from the 2024 Annual Meeting of the Academy of Management. Here we will present an edited version of the question andanswer session.
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118: Organizational Structures & Digital Technologies – AoM 2024 Symposium (Part 1)
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50:17This month we present a recording of a symposium titled “Design Choices: Examining the Interplay of Organizational Structure and Digital Technologies” from the 2024 Annual Meeting of the Academy of Management. Digital technologies now underpin the very fabric of the workplace; how tasks are assigned, bundled, and monitored partially hinges on the d…
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118: Organizational Structures & Digital Technologies – AoM 2024 Symposium (Summary of Episode)
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5:08This month we present a recording of a symposiumtitled “Design Choices: Examining the Interplay of Organizational Structure and Digital Technologies” from the 2024 Annual Meeting of the Academy of Management. Digital technologies now underpin the very fabric of the workplace; how tasks are assigned, bundled, and monitored partially hinges on the de…
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117: Economic Sociology & Valuation -- Marion Fourcade (Part 2)
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51:52We conclude our episode on economic sociology and valuation by looking at the impact work has had on contemporary research. Societies continue to wrestle with how to properly assign value to intangible things such as non-fungible tokens and other cryptocurrencies, “climate change,” and “social media.” There are also questions of the value and utili…
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117: Economic Sociology & Valuation -- Marion Fourcade (Part 1)
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52:57Economic sociology bridges economics and sociology, exploring questions such as how social environments explain and influence economic activities. Of interest for this episode is the subfield of economic valuation, in which researchers have been studying how the monetary worth of something is formed or constructed. One influential work is Marion Fo…
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