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Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

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Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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NPR's Mountain Stage

West Virginia Public Broadcasting

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The Mountain Stage Podcast is the complete recording of the entire live show. It features songs that were cut from the radio broadcast, and it is the only place you can hear the full finale song. New episodes become available about 10 days after the premiere broadcast date. We have Spring and Fall seasons of new broadcasts, so if you heard a recent show but don’t see it at the top of the feed, just scroll back a few weeks or use the search function to find a specific artist.
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We gulped down some pungent juice before recording this amazing episode! The main topics were the two big pieces of news: Jim Walsmley won't be racing Western States, and Kilian Jornet is making training videos now. Jim is the GOAT and we gave him an 85% chance of winning just last week. He's the supermassive black hole at the center of the Western…
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This is the first video we're making to address the situation and hopefully the last. We didn't want to have to make this video, but it feels as if we are being forced to and have no choice. Please hear us out. Thumbnail Photo thanks to Grand Slam Track™ and Howard Lao. If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving us a 5 star review! It hel…
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This episode was recorded on May 4th, 2025 at Canady Creative Arts Center in Morgantown, WV. The lineup includes Eric Bibb, Moira Smiley & The Rhizome Quartet, Twisted Pine, The McCrary Sisters, and Yasmin Williams. https://bit.ly/3Fsk1NqBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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This episode was a total joy with toe warmers in all the right places (and some of the wrong ones)! The main scientific topic was a new study on how high carb fueling may improve heat adaptation. We broaden that out to a question from a listener on the old "calories-in, calories-out" framework, and why that doesn't apply to athletes from evolutiona…
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In today's episode, we welcome a very special guest, 18-year-old Australian phenom Cameron Myers. Dive into Cam's professional journey, his unique training under legendary coach Dick Telford, and his exciting 2025 race schedule. The crew also shares personal updates, including Olli's murder mystery, Morgan's MRI love affair, George's upcoming steep…
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We had a ridiculous amount of fun recording this episode! The main science topic was on a new pre-print study on post-exercise ketones, showing higher carb storage and lower glycemia in athletes taking them. Is it possible that high carb has a special interaction with post-exercise ketones that might be at the heart of recent performances? It's unc…
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This week on the Coffee Club podcast, Ollie Hoare debuts his platinum blonde hair while the guys discuss a tiny bit of running news, including Jakob Ingebrigtsen's unexpected injury. Tune in for unfiltered thoughts on training innovations (some questionable!), the fame of distance runners, and our brand new business venture. Thumbnail Photo: https:…
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Endurance sports are in the midst of a revolution that will change everything about what we think humans can do. This week at the Quad Rock 50 Mile, we felt it firsthand. David set a 14-minute course record at this classic, steep Colorado race. We break it all down, "no secrets" style. Topics: high-carb fueling, big hydration totals, why heat train…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ Get ready for a jam-packed episode of the Coffee Club podcast! We dissect all the thrilling moments from the Grand Slam track meet in Miami, including Josh Kerr's stunning 1500m victory and the captivating 800m showdown led by Marco Arop. Join us as Morgan recou…
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This episode was recorded on April 6th, 2025 at Hylton Performing Arts Center in Manassas, VA. The lineup includes Al Stewart, Livingston Taylor, Sweet Honey In The Rock, The Nighthawks, and Cristina Vane. https://bit.ly/4lWtFIyBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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Our favorite episodes are these Q+As where we answer listener questions on all of the hottest topics! It's called a "No Secrets" Q+A because we try to take you behind the curtain, speculating about ideas that might not be talked about in public very often. Let's get spicy! The main topic was Cam Wurf's reported 200 grams of carbs per hour at Ironma…
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The boys are back in the studio for Episode 184! Get the inside scoop on our trip to the 2025 Penn Relays, including George Beamish's thrilling Ben Franklin Mile win and stellar performances from OAC's Josette Norris and Robert Farken. The episode also covers the excitement from the London Marathon, previews the upcoming Grand Slam Track meet in Mi…
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We put on our space cowboy outfits for this great episode! The main topic centered on the almost-ubiquitous use of higher carb intakes in recent races, from the Canyons 100k to the Boston Marathon to the cycling classics. What once seemed optional is now mandatory. Where do the next breakthroughs come from? We outline some ideas to try to catch the…
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Coffee Club Live at the Penn Relays!!! Featuring special guests, the NCAA superstars and champions from the University of North Carolina, Parker Wolfe and Ethan Strand. We also preview George's Ben Franklin Mile (before he wins it) and bring up some potential NIL prospects for some fun coffee cauldron. Thank you to On for hosting us!! Special Guest…
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PENN RELAYS LIVE SHOW RSVP: https://forms.gle/WYpsWrm7Q3zK3M5n7 Olli is finally back after six weeks away, and we're diving deep into his recent adventures, from intense training down under to racing at World Indoors and Australian Nationals. Hear all about his punishment for missing episodes, get an update on CEO Gus, and learn about Olli's big ta…
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This episode was recorded on March 9, 2025 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes The MC Taylor Goldsmith Show (featuring Taylor Goldsmith of Dawes and MC Taylor of Hiss Golden Messenger), Kat Edmonson, Ken Pomeroy, Jonny Fritz, and Scott Mulvahill. https://bit.ly/4iftS6O…
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Our minds were blown by the Boston Marathon right before recording this great episode! The main topic was a new study on the Puma R3 super-shoe, conducted by a top researcher. It showed a shocking 3% improvement in running economy relative to the previous generation of super-shoes, with a universally positive response among study participants. We d…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ ON LABS BOSTON MARATHON GIVEAWAY RSVP: https://forms.gle/1TegBqtcqaynVP7i9 PENN RELAYS LIVE SHOW RSVP: https://forms.gle/WYpsWrm7Q3zK3M5n7 Hey everyone, on this episode we dive deep into the running performance revolution with our amazing guests, coaches David R…
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This episode was recorded on February 16th, 2025 at the Canady Creative Arts Centerat West Virginia University in Morgantown, WV. The lineup includes Larkin Poe, Victoria Canal, Raye Zaragoza, Ron Pope, and Christian Lopez. https://bit.ly/3RWmKBeBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We put sensors in all the right places before this HOT episode! The main discussion was on the emerging science of heat training, centered around a 2025 study that showed 3 x weekly sessions could sustain hematological adaptations from an altitude camp. Heat training is no longer just about being ready for hot weather. It's about helping our blood …
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ Special Guest: Joey Berriatua: https://www.instagram.com/joeyberriatua/ Joey's Newsletter: https://joeyberriatua.substack.com Follow us here: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coffeeclub.pod/ George Beamish: https://www.instagram.com/georgebeamish/ Morgan McD…
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This episode was recorded on February 2nd, 2025 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes The Headhunters, Amanda Anne Platt & The Honeycutters, David Berkeley, Buffalo Rose, and Crys Matthews. https://bit.ly/42AWjHvBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We put on our finest white spandex for this amazing episode! The main topic was a new review study on protein needs for endurance athletes. The authors used a cool method of isotope labeling to argue that endurance athletes need more protein than traditional recommendations. The nutrition revolution is not just about carbs! And this one was full of…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ 0:00 Intro 0:54 World Indoors Recap: 5th Place & First Team USA Experience 2:52 China Adventures: Becoming a Local Legend 5:04 World Indoors 3k Race Deep Dive 7:37 Preview: Inaugural Grand Slam in Jamaica 12:47 Grand Slam: Betting, Predictions & Prize Money Talk…
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We pondered the genetics of smelling ants before this great episode! The main topic was a new study that found the brain may use myelin lipids for fuel during low glucose conditions like marathons. This could have massive implications for how we think about fueling and fatigue resistance, including for cognitive function. Our big theory: fueling is…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ 0:00 Intro 0:20 George is Back from the Dead 1:50 The Sickness Saga 7:37 Immune System Mysteries 11:59 World Indoors Recap 16:58 1500m Heats 23:37 1500m Finals & Celebrations 25:40 3K Thrill: Ky and Dylan shine 37:12 Oceania Medal Count 43:56 Maurie Plant Previe…
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This episode was recorded on December 8, 2024 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes SKip Moore, Joy Clark, Brad Tursi, Andrew Marlin Stringband, and Matt Mullins & The Bringdowns with guest host David Mayfield. bit.ly/4iwypCoBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We took off our armor for this incredible episode! The main discussion might have been one of our most important (and fun) ever: the Big Alta 50k DNF, failure, and what it truly means to go for it. David raced Big Alta because it was somewhere that he couldn't hide. We needed to gather data about what happened at the very edge of human capabilities…
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If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ Chapters: 0:00 Intro 0:22 Morg Updates 3:32 What is Morgan's chess rating? 5:53 What do you think of the high school scene? + College recruiting 11:52 Relationship troubles... 14:17 Bad training partners + feet pics 19:40 Morgan & Sinta's Love Story 20:49 Track …
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We celebrated the 250th recording for this great episode! The main topic was a new study on fatigue resistance. How do you actually improve performance after multiple hours of work? It’s the greatest mystery of endurance, and whoever solves it will have a big advantage. We think that we have some answers for training, fueling, and the nervous syste…
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This episode was recorded on December 1st, 2024 at the Culture Center Theater in Charleston, WV. The lineup includes Stephen Kellogg, Jill Sobule, Mindy Smith, Caleb Caudle & The Sweet Critters, and The David Mayfield Parade, with guest host Conor Knighton. http://bit.ly/3FLIixDBy West Virginia Public Broadcasting
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We welcome back one of our favorite guests and teammates, the Spanish Rocket, Mario García Romo!! We discuss his return to racing after injury and his goals for the upcoming season, including a focus on strength training and more frequent races. We also delve into the exciting European Indoor Championships, highlighting Jakob Ingebrigtsen's dominan…
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We lifted some styrofoam plates painted like metal before this great episode! The main topic was a new study showing improved fatigue resistance for athletes doing heavy lifting twice per week. Yes... we regret to inform you that we think you should probably have a squat rack nearby. Prepare your butts. We also answered a question on carb intake af…
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In today's sit down with the great Maia Ramsden, we recap her experience at the recent BU meet and her national record. We also get into her full life story.. where exactly is Maia from? How did she end up at Harvard? When did she know she was going to become a pro? Why OAC? We also get into her first Olympic experience and fellow Kiwi George issue…
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We brought some very sore legs into this great episode! The main topic was a new study on "Zone 2 Training," which gathered a panel of experts to review what Zone 2 means and why it matters. Our theory is that Zone 2 training is interacting with high-carb fueling to drive some of the performance revolution! We also talked about a new study on heat …
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Heyo! We're back in the studio and it's race week! The boys do a big recap of US Indoor Champs and preview the upcoming meet at BU this weekend. They also chat a bit about US Half Marathon Championships in Atlanta, the end of their training camp, and talk about Olli's secret strategy to beat Yared in the mile. If you enjoyed this episode, please le…
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We put on some supershoes for an extra boost for this great episode! A main topic was a question we get a lot: whether high-carb fueling during training is healthy in a broader sense. We not only think it's healthy, we think that the question is best asked another way: how much healthier is fueling your training than the alternative of underfueling…
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What's up from Scottsdale, Arizona! The boys get into life and sport updates from training camp, including Olli's experience with Double Threshold, George's visit with Mike Smith and his cult up in Flagstaff, and Morgan's current injury situation. Afterwards they go over one of the biggest weeks ever for the sport, covering Jakob Ingebrigsten's ind…
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We bought stock in baking soda before this record-breaking episode! It was a "No Secrets" Q+A, where we lay it all on the line. This one was so fun! The first big question was on the deluge of world records set in the last week. Our theory is that compound gains are being harnessed from nutrition, supplements, and shoes that are changing how athlet…
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Joined by newly minted World Record holder Yared Nuguse, we dive into the Millrose Games and all of the crazy events that surround it. We also get a bit of insight into Olli's 3000m experience and chat a bit about the season finale of our favorite topic: the Bowerman track club. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We apprecia…
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Our minds were blown this weekend as more records were annihilated on the trails (at the Black Canyon 100k) and the track (at the Millrose Games)! We talk about The Performance Revolution: what's causing it, what we all can learn, and what comes next. The future is here. And the future is wildly fast! Next up was a new study on strength training fo…
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Featuring special guests Ky Robinson and Dylan Jacobs, we get into all of the madness that happened in the running world this past weekend. We recap Ethan Strand and Farken Fast's big mile at the Boston University Terrier meet (and the other big performances of the weekend), the OAC indoor opener at New Balance Grand Prix, and preview all of the bi…
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We embraced the pressure for 2025 before recording this great episode! A concept we disagree with is that "pressure will break down the mind," referring to saying big, scary goals out loud. Our main idea: pressure is a joyful part of sports. We talk about our long journey to get to this point, and why you should want the ball with time running out,…
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In this episode we review the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix entries, the results of the Dr. Sander's Scorcher, Josh Kerr's ambassadorship, the worst uniform of all time, some of Oceania's young studs (Cam Myers and Sam Ruthe), and have a big old classic gossip and television chat. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We apprec…
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This episode is one of our all-time favorites, diving into tons of the most important (and most frivolous) topics! As always, it’s in the “no secrets” style, where we lift the curtain and show you what people are thinking at the top end of endurance sports, but might not want to say publicly. Plus, there were so many laughs mixed with serious momen…
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In this episode we recap Morgan's Half Marathon debut in Houston, catch up with Olli and his latest lego kits, and also finally welcome back George from New Zealand. We also chime in on Josh Kerr's new Brooks deal until 3024. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5 star review! We appreciate the support ❤️ Follow us here: Instagram: https://w…
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This episode was so fun, and it wasn’t just the cinnamon rolls we used for carb research. The main topic was a new study that took a cool design and extended the conclusions beyond their reach, theorizing that athletes should reconsider high-carb approaches for peak performance. We outline where we think the conclusions missed the mark. It makes us…
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