In this episode of What We Can't Not Talk About, Marianna Orlandi continues exploring education, joined by Professor Justin Dyer, Dean of the School of Civic Leadership at the University of Texas at Austin. Together, they discuss the profound ideas of C.S. Lewis in his influential book, The Abolition of Man, and explore how modern educational institutions can reconnect with the classical ideal of forming virtuous and flourishing citizens. Justin shares insights from his personal academic journey, emphasizing the transformative role education played in his own life and the crucial need for schools dedicated to civics and leadership. They also tackle why education inevitably involves moral formation, and how understanding natural law helps us address contemporary educational challenges.