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S1 E17: The Real World is Messy (Joe / @JoeNatoli)
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Joe Natoli joins the show to talk about his origin story, how he started in design before the internet was a thing. How he jumped into designing for the internet early on and ultimately realized real fulfillment comes from helping people learn.
We discuss his passion for helping people learn, how the rules and processes in tech companies can stand in the way of achieving what they want, and about being the Tony Robbins of UX!
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