Wealthyist E27 | Fine Wines And How To Get Started: An Interview With Ben Christiansen From Waterford Wine
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Episode Focus: The episode explores the lifestyles, choices, and strategies of the wealthy, with a specific focus on their interest in exclusive and rare wines, wine trends, and the art of collecting and storing wine.
Key Points Discussed:
- A Memorable Wine Hunt Story:
- Ben from Waterford Wine (https://waterfordwine.com/) shares a story from 20 years ago when a CEO visited his store and requested a specific wine, Masetto. Initially unfamiliar with it, Ben researched and tracked down a rare three-liter Jeroboam bottle after persistent effort. This led to a valuable client relationship, showcasing the effort behind sourcing rare wines.
- Wine and Alcohol Trends:
- Ben discusses industry trends, noting that hard seltzers and craft beer have seen peaks and declines, while craft spirits are likely to decline soon. Wine remains relatively stable, but overall alcohol sales in Wisconsin have been declining over the last three years, except for THC products, which are rising due to a legal loophole.
- At Waterford Wines, clients typically engage seriously after 3-4 years into their careers, shifting from bar visits to dining at home, insulating the store from industry declines and contributing to slight growth.
- Guiding New Wine Customers:
- Ben emphasizes a non-transactional approach, with staff spending about 25 minutes with customers to understand their preferences. Instead of asking about budget, they explore the customer’s goals (e.g., pairing with food or building a collection).
- Staff are trained to taste wines across price points (inexpensive, medium, expensive) and learn engaging facts about each to guide customers effectively, avoiding limiting their choices based on cost.
- Investing in Wine:
- Wine as an investment has faded since its peak around 2000-2005, particularly with first-growth Bordeaux (e.g., Mouton, Lafite, Latour, O’Brien, Margaux). These wines, classified in 1865, were once high-growth investments but are less so now.
- Ben advises new collectors to start small (e.g., buying 3-4 bottles) to explore preferences, as tastes evolve. Many clients ignore this and fill cellars quickly, only to shift preferences later (e.g., from Malbec to Italian wines).
- Wine Storage and Cellars:
- Proper storage requires a constant temperature (55-65°F) and high humidity to prevent cork drying and wine oxidation, which can be challenging in homes due to mold risks.
- Ben advises against elaborate cellars until a true passion for wine is developed, recommending investment in wine first. Many clients build lavish cellars with marble floors and tasting tables but are encouraged to focus on the wine itself initially.
- Wine Aging:
- Most wines are consumed too young in the U.S. (within days). Aging 1-3 years enhances fruit character and smoothness. After this, savory flavors (e.g., herbs, potpourri) emerge, and the wine’s body lightens.
- Vintage dates reflect the grape harvest year, and some regions (e.g., Brunello, Napa Valley) have mandatory aging periods before release, effectively pre-aging the wine.
- Wine Travel Recommendations:
- Ben highlights Napa Valley as an expensive but dramatic destination for wine lovers, with Sonoma Valley offering a more casual vibe, Paso Robles a farm-focused experience, and Willamette Valley a farmer-centric one.
- Internationally, Italy is recommended for its hospitality, 2,000 grape varieties, and cultural integration of wine with food, enhancing the drinking experience. Clients often return with new preferences (e.g., Vermentino) and appreciate the lower alcohol impact due to pairing with meals and increased physical activity.
Key Takeaways:
- The episode blends storytelling, industry insights, and practical advice for wine enthusiasts, particularly those with wealth looking to explore or invest in wine.
- Ben’s approach at Waterford Wines emphasizes education, exploration, and building long-term client relationships over quick sales.
- Wine collecting is both a passion and a strategic process, requiring patience, palate development, and proper storage to maximize enjoyment and value.
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