00:40 - Welcome Hilde Lynn Helphenstein

07:20 - Conservatism in the art world

10:02 - Early exposure to different cultures

11:54 - Conceptual Art, new genres and developing a practice

14:01 - The art world as a performance

16:54 - From Hooters to Art Basel

18:09 - The birth of Jerry Gogosian

22:24 - Problems built into the business model

24:43 - AI and the potential valuelessness of art

30:03 - How social media has changed the art world

34:15 - The myth of inclusivity

39:20 - The pandemic, cultural shifts and NFTs

44:36 - The power of physicality in art

48:45 - We are all memes

50:40 - The power of the network and connection

56:00 - Normalised extremes and impostor syndrome

01:02:10 - The cost of opening up to an audience

01:14:50 - Moving forward and thinking about the future

01:25:10 - Gozo and the importance of texture in digital art

01:30:37 - A missing historical context in NFTs

01:38:30 - What art will look like in the future

01:43:05 - Technophobia and protectionism in the traditional art world

01:49:20 - Cancel culture, polarisation and satire

01:55:52 - A future NFT true believer

Jerry Gogosian Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jerrygogosian

Jerry Gogosian X: https://x.com/jerrygogosian

Gozo - an improbable thread: https://verse.works/series/an-improbable-thread-by-gozo

Gozo: https://x.com/uncertaingaze