With Vanessa in Brazil, it's just two-thirds of The Tofu Trio in this episode. Joey talks about the TV shows he's been watching, he and Jon debate the merits of the Emmy-award winning HBO Max series "The Penguin," and Jon talks about his bathroom adventures after an incident that left him believing he'd mistakenly consumed dairy. They eventually get around to the topic, which is pop superstar and noted vegan Billie Eilish. Joey saw her in concert, and wanted to talk about the experience. Without Vanessa around to keep the boys in line, they bounce around and go on various tangents, but all things considered, it could have been much worse.

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