In this very special episode, Kurt sits down with comedian Gary Gulman to talk about recovery from serious mental health problems, depression, getting treatment and his journey of becoming such a powerful advocate on behalf of mental health. From childhood struggles to finding a way to be oneself, they find humor and hope in the exploration of some of life's darkest moments.

Gary has several comedy specials including notably The Great Depresh (on HBO) which combines comedy show and documentary... As well as a equally comedic and poignant memoir of his childhood from Kindergarten to Twelfth Grade, Misfit. We strongly encourage you to check these out!

We also encourage folks to check out Sherwin Nuland's TED talk about ECT treatment, which is referenced in the episode.

Special thanks to Brattleboro Literary Festival for facilitating the connection that made this possible, and to Latchis Theatre for being host to the event that accompanied this interview!