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This isn’t politics, it’s madness. In this Tough Things First podcast Ray Zinn discussing the murder of Charlie Kirk and the sickness that plagues the American political landscape. (At the time of this post, no suspect had been arrested.)
Ray Zinn: Hi Rob. How’s it going today?
Rob Artigo: It’s a tough day because we had a 31-year-old conservative activist who was at a speech on a college campus and he took a bullet round to the throat and is dead. And so it’s like hate to have a downer podcast, but it seems like it’s important for us to talk to a little bit about this. Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA. Give me your reaction right off the bat.
Ray Zinn: Well, listen, as you started out, this is a horrible way to start a podcast, is talking about something as devastating as the death of a young man, father of two little children, just 31 years old, really just starting his career and then to end it in such a tragic way. He was giving a seminar at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah, which I know very well. I’m involved with that school in my program called Zen Starter, and so that’s a very touching thing for me. It hits right at home because I’ve had grandchildren attend UVU. I don’t have anybody there right now, but I did have children that attended there and graduated from that school. It’s a very good town. I know it well. I’ve been there to give talks and to teach there at that school. I know the faculty, some of the faculty quite well.
As I said, I’m involved philanthropically there, and it was just very, very problematic to have that happen, especially since I’m involved with that school. And it is a very conservative area, that whole area of Provo and Orem are very, very conservative. It was just very surprising to have it happen there, especially given the forum. He had a tour, I think of 15 universities he was going to speak to. He is very engaging with young people, the college-age, young people that follow him on social media. He’s an extremely well-known figure, and I guess he felt perfectly safe, obviously I would too. I mean, I would never, ever expect it to happen there. Maybe that’s why the shooter felt comfortable, because nobody was expecting it. Very little security, that speaks to the problem that we have in this country right now, that you have to have security or you’re in trouble.
Like that young girl, Ukrainian girl a couple of days ago that was stabbed on that train, just minding her own business, sitting there by herself, and then this perpetrator came up behind her and slashed her throat. And the violence that seems to be prevalent in this country speaks to the problem we’re having in this country with violence. Of course, there’s violence in Israel, there’s violence in Ukraine, in various other parts of the world. This violence has just seemed to be increasing at a dramatic rate.
We’re also honoring, or we’re celebrating, I shouldn’t say celebrating, we’re recognizing the 9/11 tragedy that happened in 2001 on September the 11th. Here again, I mean, it is kind of coincidental that we had that killing of that Ukrainian girl, that young 23-year-old, and then that became national media or national recognition. And then we had this shooting of this well-known political figure or political activist, I should say, Charlie Kirk. And then today, I think it is today, we honor those who lost their lives in that 2001 incident where these airplanes crashed into the Twin Towers in New York City.
What’s interesting is that just as a sidelight is I had just returned back from a long trip just a few hours before they shut the whole airport system down. So I don’t think I’ve was home more than six hours when they shut everything down. So that was kind of an interesting thing that I got back in time. But of course, the tragedy of that 9/11 is still with us, and we recognized that every single year.
And then we had this incident yesterday where this very well-known political figure, Charlie Kirk was shot to death by some unknown assailant at this point and looks like it was done professionally. It was very well planned out. I guess these tours are planned well in advance, and somehow or another, this perpetrator had this thing well, looks like well, well planned out. They haven’t found him yet or her, and so the person still remains at large.
But it just shows, in my mind anyway, the tremendous violence that is occurring around this world at this time, and it needs to stop. We need to bring this thing to an absolute halt. And my heart goes out to his family, to Charlie Kirk’s family, his wife and his two children, and Charlie’s parents, and actually all of us. All of us are affected by this sort of violence, whether it be in Gaza or whether it be in Ukraine, wherever it is, it does have an impact on us Rob.
Rob Artigo: I wonder, Ray, if you’re saying that in the past you’ve had relationships with people at the school and the students are there, I mean, a lot of them are directly traumatized by this because they witnessed it happen. And like you said, it extends beyond the campus to everybody else because we now have this specter of assassinations kind of lingering over political discourse in this country, which is really devastating to open dialogue. So I don’t know, Ray, is there something we could tell the students and young people particularly about this, to tone it down, to bring it back to a rational conversation instead of violence?
Ray Zinn: Well, we have to reject what’s going on. I know that on social media today, some of the students were celebrating the death of Charlie. We got to quit that. We got to quit celebrating death, whether it be in Gaza or Ukraine or wherever. We just got to quit celebrating animosity. We have to show more love and concern for each other no matter what our political beliefs are and where we differ in our political beliefs or religious beliefs or whatever, we need to tone that down and show more love and concern for our fellow man. This anger which is being perpetrated around the world, we have to show resilience and condemnation for it.
So what I recommend, and hopefully the people who are listening to this podcast will do is on their own just reject this sort of animosity. As I pointed out a minute ago, on social media there are people who are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. I mean, I don’t care what your political belief or religious belief is, you shouldn’t be celebrating death of any kind. This has got to stop.
Rob Artigo: Yeah, it really is a, I’m at a loss for words really when it comes to this kind of thing, because I just can’t believe that we’ve gotten to this point in this country where people do celebrate an assassination.
Ray Zinn: Yeah.
Rob Artigo: Openly, openly on social media. They do videos, these social media videos celebrating this, and it’s mind-boggling to me.
Ray Zinn: And it just shows how crazy things have got in this country that we celebrate this sort of anger and animosity. We shouldn’t have animosity toward anyone. I mean, that should not be even part of our culture is having animosity toward anyone irrespective of their differences in belief. And so I’d like to call a halt to this animosity and focus more on trying to find ways that we can get together and relate better to one another as opposed to being so angry and celebrating the death of a very wonderful young man, irrespective of your differences in your beliefs.
We did this podcast today, Rob, because it is central to themes that we’ve been promoting here on our podcast, and that is to show more respect and love toward our fellow man, and let’s not celebrate this sort of animosity. Let’s reject it. Let’s show anger toward the animosity as opposed to anger toward people who differ in our beliefs.
Rob Artigo: Well, Ray, the audience can join the conversation at toughthingsfirst.com. Your questions and your comments are always welcome. Follow Ray Zinn on X, Facebook and LinkedIn, and of course, pick up Ray’s books, Tough Things First and the Zen of Zinn series one, two, and three, and on sale now The Essential Leader: 10 Skills, Attributes, and Fundamentals That Make up the Essential Leader. Thanks, Ray.
Ray Zinn: Thanks, Rob.
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This isn’t politics, it’s madness. In this Tough Things First podcast Ray Zinn discussing the murder of Charlie Kirk and the sickness that plagues the American political landscape. (At the time of this post, no suspect had been arrested.)
Ray Zinn: Hi Rob. How’s it going today?
Rob Artigo: It’s a tough day because we had a 31-year-old conservative activist who was at a speech on a college campus and he took a bullet round to the throat and is dead. And so it’s like hate to have a downer podcast, but it seems like it’s important for us to talk to a little bit about this. Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA. Give me your reaction right off the bat.
Ray Zinn: Well, listen, as you started out, this is a horrible way to start a podcast, is talking about something as devastating as the death of a young man, father of two little children, just 31 years old, really just starting his career and then to end it in such a tragic way. He was giving a seminar at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah, which I know very well. I’m involved with that school in my program called Zen Starter, and so that’s a very touching thing for me. It hits right at home because I’ve had grandchildren attend UVU. I don’t have anybody there right now, but I did have children that attended there and graduated from that school. It’s a very good town. I know it well. I’ve been there to give talks and to teach there at that school. I know the faculty, some of the faculty quite well.
As I said, I’m involved philanthropically there, and it was just very, very problematic to have that happen, especially since I’m involved with that school. And it is a very conservative area, that whole area of Provo and Orem are very, very conservative. It was just very surprising to have it happen there, especially given the forum. He had a tour, I think of 15 universities he was going to speak to. He is very engaging with young people, the college-age, young people that follow him on social media. He’s an extremely well-known figure, and I guess he felt perfectly safe, obviously I would too. I mean, I would never, ever expect it to happen there. Maybe that’s why the shooter felt comfortable, because nobody was expecting it. Very little security, that speaks to the problem that we have in this country right now, that you have to have security or you’re in trouble.
Like that young girl, Ukrainian girl a couple of days ago that was stabbed on that train, just minding her own business, sitting there by herself, and then this perpetrator came up behind her and slashed her throat. And the violence that seems to be prevalent in this country speaks to the problem we’re having in this country with violence. Of course, there’s violence in Israel, there’s violence in Ukraine, in various other parts of the world. This violence has just seemed to be increasing at a dramatic rate.
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What’s interesting is that just as a sidelight is I had just returned back from a long trip just a few hours before they shut the whole airport system down. So I don’t think I’ve was home more than six hours when they shut everything down. So that was kind of an interesting thing that I got back in time. But of course, the tragedy of that 9/11 is still with us, and we recognized that every single year.
And then we had this incident yesterday where this very well-known political figure, Charlie Kirk was shot to death by some unknown assailant at this point and looks like it was done professionally. It was very well planned out. I guess these tours are planned well in advance, and somehow or another, this perpetrator had this thing well, looks like well, well planned out. They haven’t found him yet or her, and so the person still remains at large.
But it just shows, in my mind anyway, the tremendous violence that is occurring around this world at this time, and it needs to stop. We need to bring this thing to an absolute halt. And my heart goes out to his family, to Charlie Kirk’s family, his wife and his two children, and Charlie’s parents, and actually all of us. All of us are affected by this sort of violence, whether it be in Gaza or whether it be in Ukraine, wherever it is, it does have an impact on us Rob.
Rob Artigo: I wonder, Ray, if you’re saying that in the past you’ve had relationships with people at the school and the students are there, I mean, a lot of them are directly traumatized by this because they witnessed it happen. And like you said, it extends beyond the campus to everybody else because we now have this specter of assassinations kind of lingering over political discourse in this country, which is really devastating to open dialogue. So I don’t know, Ray, is there something we could tell the students and young people particularly about this, to tone it down, to bring it back to a rational conversation instead of violence?
Ray Zinn: Well, we have to reject what’s going on. I know that on social media today, some of the students were celebrating the death of Charlie. We got to quit that. We got to quit celebrating death, whether it be in Gaza or Ukraine or wherever. We just got to quit celebrating animosity. We have to show more love and concern for each other no matter what our political beliefs are and where we differ in our political beliefs or religious beliefs or whatever, we need to tone that down and show more love and concern for our fellow man. This anger which is being perpetrated around the world, we have to show resilience and condemnation for it.
So what I recommend, and hopefully the people who are listening to this podcast will do is on their own just reject this sort of animosity. As I pointed out a minute ago, on social media there are people who are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. I mean, I don’t care what your political belief or religious belief is, you shouldn’t be celebrating death of any kind. This has got to stop.
Rob Artigo: Yeah, it really is a, I’m at a loss for words really when it comes to this kind of thing, because I just can’t believe that we’ve gotten to this point in this country where people do celebrate an assassination.
Ray Zinn: Yeah.
Rob Artigo: Openly, openly on social media. They do videos, these social media videos celebrating this, and it’s mind-boggling to me.
Ray Zinn: And it just shows how crazy things have got in this country that we celebrate this sort of anger and animosity. We shouldn’t have animosity toward anyone. I mean, that should not be even part of our culture is having animosity toward anyone irrespective of their differences in belief. And so I’d like to call a halt to this animosity and focus more on trying to find ways that we can get together and relate better to one another as opposed to being so angry and celebrating the death of a very wonderful young man, irrespective of your differences in your beliefs.
We did this podcast today, Rob, because it is central to themes that we’ve been promoting here on our podcast, and that is to show more respect and love toward our fellow man, and let’s not celebrate this sort of animosity. Let’s reject it. Let’s show anger toward the animosity as opposed to anger toward people who differ in our beliefs.
Rob Artigo: Well, Ray, the audience can join the conversation at toughthingsfirst.com. Your questions and your comments are always welcome. Follow Ray Zinn on X, Facebook and LinkedIn, and of course, pick up Ray’s books, Tough Things First and the Zen of Zinn series one, two, and three, and on sale now The Essential Leader: 10 Skills, Attributes, and Fundamentals That Make up the Essential Leader. Thanks, Ray.
Ray Zinn: Thanks, Rob.
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