Tech influencer Hillel Fuld tells Israel Ellis: "It's a done deal in Canada, [and] not only do I believe it is, but I believe you believe it as well." Comparing today's situation to "the German Jews, the Spanish Jews, the Iraqi Jews," Fuld argues that "Canada's been good to you until it's not good to you, and we've reached that point." Ellis fires back: "I love this country. I love Canada and I love being Canadian... I don't believe the answer is just to give up and go." The discussion captures the dilemma facing Jewish families everywhere: Stay and fight, or get out while you still can?