Our guest is Nathan Zion, attorney at Mulhall Zion LLC (https://www.mz-llc.com/).
The Supreme Court is preparing to hear a pivotal case centered on a major question: Can a licensed counselor legally engage in what the state defines as “conversion therapy”? Nathan joins us to break down what the case is actually about, why it matters for counselors, pastors, parents, and ministries, and what the implications could be for free speech, religious liberty, and mental-health practice in America.
We unpack the legal nuances, the cultural tensions, and what Christians should understand as this case moves forward.

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