It’s an all-too-familiar story for many entrepreneurs: you spend years dedicating yourself to a career path only to eventually realize it no longer gives you fulfillment. That was the scenario for AJ Harbinger, who faced a tough decision while pursuing his Ph.D. –– stay the course or risk everything and pursue entrepreneurship.

Luckily for the hundreds of thousands of people he has helped, AJ chose the road less traveled, co-founding The Art of Charm, which has become a highly acclaimed podcast and online resource for advanced social skills training. AJ, along with his co-founder Jordan Harbinger and partner Johnny Dzubak, help countless people build confidence, social interaction, networking, and overall self improvement. Guests have included a diverse array of experts, celebrities, athletes, and authors who share practical advice.

In this episode of The SuccesLab Podcast, AJ joins hosts Beth Cochran and Deb Caron to discuss how he stumbled into podcasting, dropped out of grad school and dedicated his life to helping ordinary people become extraordinary.