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In the latest episode of The Starfish and the Church Podcast, Rob Wegner sits down with Dele Okuwobi, founder of the Wonder Association, to explore the profound lessons the Black and Brown church in America offers for movemental leadership. This conversation reframes the way we think about movement DNA (mDNA), inviting us to look closer to home for inspiration instead of always gazing overseas.

• Learn to Build Communitas

• Embrace Prophetic Leadership

• Integrate THICK Kingdom Theology

• Seek Mutual Partnerships

• Adopt a Decentered Approach

• Engage Locally for mDNA Insights

• Understanding the historical context of oppression is crucial for effective ministry.

• APEST assessments can help identify and mitigate the weaponization of gifts.

• Resources are being developed to better understand and utilize APEST dynamics.

• Deconstructing and reconstructing core doctrines is essential for modern faith communities.