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🎙️ Episode Summary

AI changes the game — but humans still write the rules

with Julian Fisher & Gavin Stone

In this powerful episode of The Security Circle, former British intelligence specialists Julian Fisher and Gavin Stone pull back the curtain on the shifting landscape of espionage, AI, and global security.

We explore the critical truth shaping modern intelligence work:

Technology accelerates intelligence — but it cannot replace human intent, trust, or judgement.

From real-world covert operations to modern disinformation campaigns, they break down:

🔍 Why HUMINT still outranks machine-driven intelligence

🧠 How adversaries are adapting to AI surveillance & identity profiling

🌍 The geopolitical ripple effects of conflicts in strategic regions

🤖 Agentic AI and what it means for future espionage

🛰️ Supply-chain infiltration, deception ops & covert tech

📉 The risk of governments over-relying on technology

👩‍💻 Why younger generations may be the key to a healthy digital future

This is a rare, unfiltered look into the mindset of intelligence operatives navigating a world where data moves faster than diplomacy — and where the strongest weapon remains human insight.

If you care about the intersection of AI, national security, and real-world intelligence, this episode is a must-listen.

Gavin Stone — Podcast Bio

Gavin Stone is a security leader and intelligence specialist known for bringing elite protective-operations thinking into the corporate world. With a background spanning high-risk global environments, behavioural analysis, and threat intelligence, Gavin focuses on strengthening organisational resilience through human-centric security practice. Passionate about professional development in the protective industry, he is a respected trainer, mentor, and advocate for raising standards across the security and intelligence community.

Julian Fisher — Podcast Bio

Julian Fisher is a technology, intelligence and innovation strategist specialising in bridging the gap between emerging capability and real-world operational impact. With experience across national security, enterprise risk and advanced technology programmes, Julian focuses on how organisations can leverage intelligence-driven decision-making, digital transformation and adaptive security architecture to stay ahead of evolving threats. A thoughtful voice in future security culture, he champions ethical leadership, continuous learning, and mission-focused innovation.

Security Circle ⭕️ is an IFPOD production for IFPO the International Foundation of Protection Officers