In this episode, Rich and Kevin Barnicle discuss:

• How marriage counseling and therapy reshaped his life and leadership
• The importance of mental health conversations, especially among entrepreneurs
• Why proactive relationship habits matter for friendships and family
• Lessons learned from failed partnerships and trusting too easily
• Creating community and fulfillment through sports, travel, and shared experiences

Key Takeaways:

• Therapy isn’t a sign of weakness. Kevin’s openness about working with therapists throughout his life highlights how vital it can be for personal clarity, business resilience, and family relationships.
• Routines hold relationships together. Whether it’s bi-weekly marriage counseling or scheduled trips with old friends, consistent effort matters more than grand gestures.
• Not everyone deserves a seat at your table. A painful business partnership taught Kevin to protect his trust and pour his energy into the people who show up with integrity.
• Human connection thrives on empathy. Taking the time to truly understand what shapes someone’s decisions, not just judging their actions, leads to deeper, lasting bonds.
• Community creates meaning. From startup life to adult sports leagues, the sense of being part of something bigger than yourself brings fulfillment and a sense of purpose that outlasts wins and losses.

"You can't make a carbon copy of yourself. It's not going to happen if you try; you're just being an idiot. So let go, let them [your kids] figure it out on their own, and they're gonna have to do that in their life anyways, right?" — Kevin Barnicle

About Kevin Barnicle:

Kevin Barnicle is an accomplished Entrepreneur and Author who is passionate about empowering others to succeed in the business world. Drawing from his experience as the Founder and CEO of the thriving legal technology firm Controle, Kevin has become a trusted mentor and guide for aspiring business owners.

With a remarkable journey of starting a company without prior industry experience or a business degree, and growing it into one of the fastest-growing companies in the U.S., Kevin offers invaluable insights into building and scaling businesses. His books focus on practical strategies, real-life lessons, and actionable advice for anyone looking to start, grow, or manage a successful enterprise, all written with his trademark humor.

Kevin's mission is to inspire entrepreneurs at every stage of their journey, helping them overcome challenges and build sustainable businesses. Through his writing, Kevin provides readers with a clear roadmap to navigate the complexities of entrepreneurship, instilling confidence and a sense of possibility.

Now retired from his first venture, Kevin dedicates his time to mentoring entrepreneurs, angel investing, and serving on company boards. His enthusiasm for sharing knowledge and helping others thrive in business is evident in every page of his work, making his books a must-read for anyone ready to take the leap into entrepreneurship

Connect with Kevin Barnicle:

Website: https://itstheblueprint.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinbarnicle/

Book: https://a.co/d/atchygN

Connect with Rich Woo:

Website: www.catalyst.nm.com

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/richwoo/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rich_woo/?hl=en

Book: The Relationship Recession - https://a.co/d/dXlXd71

Email: [email protected]