On this episode, Danielle and Sheena talk with Dr. Robert Pennington about his expansive work with individuals with complex learning needs and how to program for students using high leverage practices. Rob is a former special educator, well accomplished professor, BCBA, and leader in educational research. His current research focuses around high leverage practices as well as innovative educational methodologies of using technology and robots within the classroom. In the episode, we talk with Rob about the importance of showing teachers how to use High Leverage Practices in order to make data-based decisions for their students, as well as help teachers feel empowered over their instruction and programming for students with more intense and severe needs. Listeners can find more information about Rob's work around HLPs on the University of Kentucky's website as well as purchase his book, Applied Behavior Analysis for Everyone: Principles and Practices Explained by Applied Researches Who Use Them, on Amazon.