🎙️ Part 1 — Depth, Coherence, and Leadership When the Maps Fail Subtitle: “What if the space between us is the map?” Rob McNamara joins Dave to explore how relational depth, love, and presence may be the most strategic responses to the crises of our time. Guest Bio – Rob McNamara Rob McNamara is a transmitted Zen master, advisor, consultant, and executive coach. He is the author of four books, most recently "Foundations for Elegant Relationships and Powerful Listening." He is a co-founder of Dragon Lake Zen, where he works to fit the lineage to address existential and catastrophic risk. Rob serves on faculty at the Ivey School of Business’s LIFT Advanced Coaching Program and Real LIFE Programs. He is a former Harvard University Teaching Fellow, teaching adult development at Harvard’s Graduate School of Education.Rob currently coaches, trains, and advises individuals, teams, and communities on how to protect and cultivate value-dense capabilities necessary for successfully navigating today’s changing landscapes. Standout Quotes “Depth isn’t a luxury. It’s a survival skill.” “The crisis isn’t out there—it’s moving through us.” “You don’t need a new map. You need a deeper relationship with the unknown.” Timeline: 0:00 – Meta-crisis, personal pivot, and transformation as orientation 6:00 – From individual growth to collective and relational transformation 13:00 – Polarization, limbic overwhelm, and the weaponization of media 21:00 – Psychological warfare, attentional hijack, and digital overwhelm 29:00 – Death as a calibration tool for meaning and perspective 37:00 – Coherence, sameness/difference, and leadership blind spots Referenced Resources Zachary Stein – Educational Meta-Crisis. Forest Landry – 'The faster the change, the deeper the depth required'. Video. Concepts: psychological warfare, digital overwhelm, coherence, relational practice, death as a calibration lens Music and production: Phil Schoof