My guest this episode is an attorney and advocate licensed to practice law in Colorado and Pennsylvania. Though she is a New York native but calls Pittsburgh her home. Wife, mother of twins and loves to travel. Supervises law students at school of law. Has a background in juvenile delinquency and mental health. public defenders' office.

• Examples of care based leadership in practice from this episode include:
  • "Having a record is sometimes a consequence of the system and not necessarily a consequence of the behavior."
  • Leaders and decision-makers in the system are desensitized to the process and are even more desensitized when it comes to working with people with disabilities or low income. For this reason, everyday citizens really need to care who their magistrates are.

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