In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Robin Hager - a clinician whose path began in the labs and lecture halls of the University of Arizona, and was forever changed when she stepped into her first healing-touch class.

Her journey is a story of integration: from writing medical protocols that saved lives, to guiding patients and families through plant medicine ceremonies with shamans in Peru. From the halls of hospital administration to the sacred breath of vibrational sound therapy, Robin’s life is a testament to what happens when intellect bows to intuition - and when science and spirit agree to walk hand-in-hand.

This is a conversation about courage, about healing beyond the prescription pad, and about rediscovering medicine as service - not just business.