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423 - Indie Talk - Decoding the $8 Billion Vertical Video Craze, Filmmaking in the Age of Micro-Drama and the Real ROI of Streaming for Indies

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This episode is brought to you by Anthropic. Claude is the AI for minds that don’t stop at good enough—it's the collaborator that actually understands your entire workflow and thinks WITH you, not for you. Sign up for Claude today and get 50% off your first three months of Claude Pro when you use our link – www.claude.ai/makeit

This episode is brought to you by Gusto. Gusto is online payroll and benefits software built for small businesses. It’s all-in-one, remote-friendly, and incredibly easy to use—so you can pay, hire, onboard, and support your team from anywhere. Try Gusto today at gusto.com/makeit, and get three months free when you run your first payroll.

Hello, Hello!

In this episode, we delve into the evolving landscape of the film and entertainment industry, spotlighting the rise of vertical micro-dramas and questioning the true meaning behind headline metrics like "market value" and "audience excitement." They challenge traditional production and distribution models, explore marketing costs and streaming ROI for independent filmmakers, and examine the shift of audience attention—and star power—from Hollywood to social platforms. Along the way, the hosts offer candid advice for creators navigating these industry changes and reflect on how personal branding, marketing, and resilience contribute to ongoing creative careers.

We also talk about:

  • The history and impact of vertical video platforms, with a quiz on which app first pioneered vertical video shorts.
  • A candid, humorous discussion about generational differences in content consumption and the evolving definition of "stars."
  • The challenges and nuances of film financing, including crowdfunding, family support, and strategies for paying back investors or supporters.
  • Reflections on the cultural and social implications of social media, from platforms' impact on children to trust in e-commerce.
  • Personal asides and trivia about movies, actors, and the process of finding correct titles and show names under pressure.

People, Places, Products, and Websites Mentioned:

Claude Pro (Anthropic’s AI model)

Gusto (payroll and HR software)

GitHub

JIRA

HubSpot

Notion

Google Workspace

Galatea (vertical micro-drama platform)

Quibi (short-lived streaming platform)

Tubi (streaming platform)

Roku Channel

Indiegogo (crowdfunding platform)

Vine

Periscope

Musically (predecessor to TikTok)

BetterHelp (referenced as a sponsor)

“The Wrap” (entertainment news website)

Poor Things (movie)

Wicked for Good (TV/film title)

Stranger Things (Netflix series)

Landman (TV series)

Superman

Tron

Wednesday (Netflix Show)

The Fantastic Four

The Black Phone 2

Welcome to Derry (various movie and TV titles)

Ariana Grande

Cynthia Erivo

Mark Ruffalo

Emma Stone

Jared Leto

Margot Robbie

Dwayne Johnson (The Rock)

Reggie Roby

Andrew Tate

Aiden Ross

Kai Cenat

Druski

Kevin Hart

Shaquille O’Neal

Wes Anderson

Yorgos Lanthimos

Emma Toner (Galatea)

Tristan Harris (The Social Dilemma)

Miami Dolphins (as NFL/football team location)

“Task” show with Mark Ruffalo

We are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters.

So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEIT

All Links: https://beacons.ai/themakeitpodcast


Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-make-it-podcast/exclusive-content
Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands
Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Manage episode 519475948 series 2385348
Content provided by Chris Barkley & Nicholas Buggs, Chris Barkley, and Nicholas Buggs. All podcast content including episodes, graphics, and podcast descriptions are uploaded and provided directly by Chris Barkley & Nicholas Buggs, Chris Barkley, and Nicholas Buggs or their podcast platform partner. If you believe someone is using your copyrighted work without your permission, you can follow the process outlined here https://podcastplayer.com/legal.

This episode is brought to you by Anthropic. Claude is the AI for minds that don’t stop at good enough—it's the collaborator that actually understands your entire workflow and thinks WITH you, not for you. Sign up for Claude today and get 50% off your first three months of Claude Pro when you use our link – www.claude.ai/makeit

This episode is brought to you by Gusto. Gusto is online payroll and benefits software built for small businesses. It’s all-in-one, remote-friendly, and incredibly easy to use—so you can pay, hire, onboard, and support your team from anywhere. Try Gusto today at gusto.com/makeit, and get three months free when you run your first payroll.

Hello, Hello!

In this episode, we delve into the evolving landscape of the film and entertainment industry, spotlighting the rise of vertical micro-dramas and questioning the true meaning behind headline metrics like "market value" and "audience excitement." They challenge traditional production and distribution models, explore marketing costs and streaming ROI for independent filmmakers, and examine the shift of audience attention—and star power—from Hollywood to social platforms. Along the way, the hosts offer candid advice for creators navigating these industry changes and reflect on how personal branding, marketing, and resilience contribute to ongoing creative careers.

We also talk about:

  • The history and impact of vertical video platforms, with a quiz on which app first pioneered vertical video shorts.
  • A candid, humorous discussion about generational differences in content consumption and the evolving definition of "stars."
  • The challenges and nuances of film financing, including crowdfunding, family support, and strategies for paying back investors or supporters.
  • Reflections on the cultural and social implications of social media, from platforms' impact on children to trust in e-commerce.
  • Personal asides and trivia about movies, actors, and the process of finding correct titles and show names under pressure.

People, Places, Products, and Websites Mentioned:

Claude Pro (Anthropic’s AI model)

Gusto (payroll and HR software)

GitHub

JIRA

HubSpot

Notion

Google Workspace

Galatea (vertical micro-drama platform)

Quibi (short-lived streaming platform)

Tubi (streaming platform)

Roku Channel

Indiegogo (crowdfunding platform)

Vine

Periscope

Musically (predecessor to TikTok)

BetterHelp (referenced as a sponsor)

“The Wrap” (entertainment news website)

Poor Things (movie)

Wicked for Good (TV/film title)

Stranger Things (Netflix series)

Landman (TV series)

Superman

Tron

Wednesday (Netflix Show)

The Fantastic Four

The Black Phone 2

Welcome to Derry (various movie and TV titles)

Ariana Grande

Cynthia Erivo

Mark Ruffalo

Emma Stone

Jared Leto

Margot Robbie

Dwayne Johnson (The Rock)

Reggie Roby

Andrew Tate

Aiden Ross

Kai Cenat

Druski

Kevin Hart

Shaquille O’Neal

Wes Anderson

Yorgos Lanthimos

Emma Toner (Galatea)

Tristan Harris (The Social Dilemma)

Miami Dolphins (as NFL/football team location)

“Task” show with Mark Ruffalo

We are humbled to have a community of creatives who care deeply about our work. And your support makes our work possible. Every subscriber, rating, and review matters.

So, if you like what we're doing, please consider subscribing, rating, or giving us a review. Cheers, and best of luck on your filmmaking journey. #MAKEIT

All Links: https://beacons.ai/themakeitpodcast


Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-make-it-podcast/exclusive-content
Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands
Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
  continue reading

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