Why do so many women find it nearly impossible to truly relax? In this candid episode, Bryony sits down with psychologist and author Nicola Jane Hobbs, whose viral writing on burnout and rest has struck a chord across social media.

Together, they unpack why women often feel they must “earn” rest, how societal and internalised pressures fuel chronic stress, and why relaxation can feel threatening or out of reach.

With practical, science-backed tools – from micro-moments of respite to reframing self-worth – Nicola shows women how to reclaim relaxation in their daily lives, even amidst relentless to-do lists and summer holiday chaos.

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Credits: Host: Bryony Gordon

Guest: Nicola Jane Hobbs

Producer: Laura Elwood-Craig

Assistant Producer: Ceyda Uzun

Studio Manager: Sam Chisholm

Editor: Luke Shelley

Exec Producer: Mike Wooller

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