In this episode of The Layover, Tracy (CEO) and Patrick (COO) unpack what it really takes for visionary and operator energy to coexist—and thrive—in a growing business. They dive into the natural push-and-pull between the CEO’s role as the dreamer, strategist, and storyteller, and the COO’s role as the executor, optimizer, and reality-checker.

With humor and honesty, the duo shares their own experiences working side by side, including the highs of having a complementary partnership and the inevitable clashes that come with different leadership lenses. Tracy highlights the CEO’s responsibility to set vision, inspire teams, and rally investors, while Patrick sheds light on the COO’s focus on structure, processes, and getting the details right.

The conversation explores:

• Vision vs. Execution – why companies need both big-picture thinking and operational discipline.
• Conflict & Balance – how healthy tension between CEO and COO energy creates better outcomes.
• Communication Styles – the art of translating vision into actionable steps without losing momentum.
• Lessons Learned – real stories from running TRAX and Mind & Social, and how they keep their partnership strong.

The episode is packed with practical insights, a few laughs, and a behind-the-scenes look at how two very different leadership energies can align to build something lasting.

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