Are you measuring the wrong things in your church? Warren Bird, renowned author and church researcher, joins us to challenge conventional thinking about church growth and success.

Fresh from analyzing data on thousands of churches, Warren shares encouraging news about post-pandemic recovery, the rising impact on young adults, and why the focus needs to shift from attendance numbers to genuine attachment and belonging.

This conversation digs into practical leadership issues: How do you stop being the minister and become the minister maker? What does it really take to break through growth barriers? And why is improving your communication one of the most important investments you can make?

If you've ever felt stuck doing all the ministry yourself or wondered how to prepare your church for an increasingly diverse future, this episode offers both hope and practical next steps.

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